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EXTREMELY RARE COX THIMBLE DROME PROTOTYPE "BLACK WIDOW" GAS MODEL AIRPLANE
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Re: EXTREMELY RARE COX THIMBLE DROME PROTOTYPE "BLACK WIDOW" GAS MODEL AIRPLANE
Levent Suberk wrote:Hope that Bob don't say anything about hijacking the Black Widow thread![]()
That happens here occasionally...weekly, maybe more than occasionally.

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Thanks, weight?
Levent Suberk wrote:Keith Morgan coroplast PT 19 plan:
Found at https://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/control-lines-231/11602511-international-cox-pt-19-fly-if-you-got-day.html
Levant Suberk: thanks. Was trying to sleep, but have a major migraine.

p.s. was thinking of making it RC ??
p.s.p.s. Does anyone remember the AUW, all up flying weight?
Happydad.



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Re: EXTREMELY RARE COX THIMBLE DROME PROTOTYPE "BLACK WIDOW" GAS MODEL AIRPLANE
Levent Suberk wrote:Hope that Bob don't say anything about hijacking the Black Widow thread![]()
Started way back in 2012 this thread has been stepped on so often it must feel like a door mat. I'm just one of many contributors.

Migraines...........that's taking it way out.

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Re: EXTREMELY RARE COX THIMBLE DROME PROTOTYPE "BLACK WIDOW" GAS MODEL AIRPLANE
Is that French?...nicht verstehen
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Re: EXTREMELY RARE COX THIMBLE DROME PROTOTYPE "BLACK WIDOW" GAS MODEL AIRPLANE
OhBee wrote:Is that French?...nicht verstehen
No, it is Spanish. Lodela was a Mexican company with license to sell Cox brand products.
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Re: EXTREMELY RARE COX THIMBLE DROME PROTOTYPE "BLACK WIDOW" GAS MODEL AIRPLANE
Aah....no 'se habla Espaniol !
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Re: EXTREMELY RARE COX THIMBLE DROME PROTOTYPE "BLACK WIDOW" GAS MODEL AIRPLANE
OhBee wrote:Aah....no 'se habla Espaniol !
Should be, «No sé hablar en el español».


Just off hand, the translation to Spanish seems to follow closely what was said in the American English Cox brochures. Exception would be the Black Widow (Viuda Negra). It was using Jim Walker's fuselage (can't remember the model off hand, Fire Baby?) with their own unique wing shape. Lodela had rights to that. Was not imported to US or adopted for sale in US.
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Re: EXTREMELY RARE COX THIMBLE DROME PROTOTYPE "BLACK WIDOW" GAS MODEL AIRPLANE
Timeline for Revell/Lodela https://www.scalemates.com/products/product.php?id=194000&p=timeline This is pretty interesting , Wonder how they got the rights to the model from Cox ?

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Re: EXTREMELY RARE COX THIMBLE DROME PROTOTYPE "BLACK WIDOW" GAS MODEL AIRPLANE
getback wrote:Timeline for Revell/Lodela https://www.scalemates.com/products/product.php?id=194000&p=timeline This is pretty interesting , Wonder how they got the rights to the model from Cox ?![]()
I think it could have been a question of intellectual property rights (patents, licence rights and such). Cox may have developed the model, it looks like it could be manufactured easily and with minimal tooling cost. But another company (Jim Walker and Firebaby maybe?) may have had a US patent for some aspect of the design, making it not possible to market it in the USA. Or, it may have been a ”bought” design that came in an acquisition of another company but someone did not read the small print that may have said ”not to be marketed in the USA”. Certainly a ”DOH” moment and someone had some explaining to do at the next marketing meeting

To minimize the damage and to recoup some of the cost, the model became a part of the Mexican product portfolio, because the design probably was not patented there.
Just a guess, but that kind of stuff happens all the time in other industries.
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Re: EXTREMELY RARE COX THIMBLE DROME PROTOTYPE "BLACK WIDOW" GAS MODEL AIRPLANE
Better guess than i have LOL

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Good to see you back ab, adds to the interesting history of the Cox brand.
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rsv1cox wrote:Good to see you back ab, adds to the interesting history of the Cox brand.
Thank you, have been busy with work and a couple of R/C projects.
My best wishes for 2021, hopefully this will be a more "Normal" year.
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Re: EXTREMELY RARE COX THIMBLE DROME PROTOTYPE "BLACK WIDOW" GAS MODEL AIRPLANE
OhBee, rather I'd think for you it would be, «Lo puedo hablar un poquito en el español» (I can speak a tiny bit in Spanish).
Given the weirdness of the whole situation, I think it will be an Abby Normal year.

a betancourt wrote:rsv1cox wrote:Good to see you back ab, adds to the interesting history of the Cox brand.
Thank you, have been busy with work and a couple of R/C projects. My best wishes for 2021, hopefully this will be a more "Normal" year.
Given the weirdness of the whole situation, I think it will be an Abby Normal year.





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Re: EXTREMELY RARE COX THIMBLE DROME PROTOTYPE "BLACK WIDOW" GAS MODEL AIRPLANE
GallopingGhostler wrote:OhBee wrote:Aah....no 'se habla Espaniol !
Should be, «No sé hablar en el español».(I don't speak Spanish.)
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Just off hand, the translation to Spanish seems to follow closely what was said in the American English Cox brochures. Exception would be the Black Widow (Viuda Negra). It was using Jim Walker's fuselage (can't remember the model off hand, Fire Baby?) with their own unique wing shape. Lodela had rights to that. Was not imported to US or adopted for sale in US.
Yes the Viuda Negra, Black Widow in english, used a Firebaby fuselage. As a kid I had the Lodela Cox Firebaby, it was one of the best flying Cox airplanes. Interesting the Firebaby was not marketed by Cox in the US but it was in Mexico.
Another interesting fact is that the Bell Helicopter that used a Pee Wee 020 was sold in Mexico with a 049, you can read this in the ad.
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Re: EXTREMELY RARE COX THIMBLE DROME PROTOTYPE "BLACK WIDOW" GAS MODEL AIRPLANE
The only Spanish I know I picked up watching westerns! So.....amazed I got THAT close trying to write it!
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