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Post  944_Jim Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:51 am

Levent Suberk wrote:Hope that Bob don't say anything about hijacking the Black Widow thread Very Happy

That happens here occasionally...weekly, maybe more than occasionally. Laughing

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Post  happydad Tue Aug 11, 2020 6:51 am


Levant Suberk: thanks. Was trying to sleep, but have a major migraine. Sad

p.s. was thinking of making it RC ??

p.s.p.s. Does anyone remember the AUW, all up flying weight?

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Post  rsv1cox Tue Aug 11, 2020 7:26 am

Levent Suberk wrote:Hope that Bob don't say anything about hijacking the Black Widow thread Very Happy

Started way back in 2012 this thread has been stepped on so often it must feel like a door mat. I'm just one of many contributors. Smile

Migraines...........that's taking it way out. Smile Had my first one at 19. Maximum visual distortion, little to no headache. Put me in the hospital for 10 days. Rookie Navy doctors could figure it out, thought it was meningitis. Put me in the contagious ward. Finally sent me to an eye doctor who told me to go back and tell the Docs that I had a Migraine and to let me the heck out of there. Now I just lay down for 20 minutes and they are gone. Maybe one every 3-6 months caused mostly by eye strain. Working on tiny locomotive parts under a magnifying glass can really be a pain.

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Post  Levent Suberk Thu Aug 13, 2020 11:29 am

Happydad, I printed the full size plan and vinyl decal sheet for various color schemes of coroplast PT 19. Here is the set is ready to mail you.  Very Happy Please send your postal address with pm, but mail delivery expected about one to two months to USA addresses.

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Here is part of a Lodela Cox catalog from 1978 - 1979 EXTREMELY RARE COX THIMBLE DROME PROTOTYPE "BLACK WIDOW" GAS MODEL AIRPLANE - Page 4 Fb_img10
ue from the 70´s.
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Post  OhBee Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:43 pm

Is that French?...nicht verstehen
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Post  GallopingGhostler Tue Jan 05, 2021 10:06 pm

OhBee wrote:Is that French?...nicht verstehen

No, it is Spanish. Lodela was a Mexican company with license to sell Cox brand products.
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Post  OhBee Tue Jan 05, 2021 11:40 pm

Aah....no 'se habla Espaniol !
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Post  GallopingGhostler Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:12 am

OhBee wrote:Aah....no 'se habla Espaniol !

Should be, «No sé hablar en el español». drunken (I don't speak Spanish.) Beers

Just off hand, the translation to Spanish seems to follow closely what was said in the American English Cox brochures. Exception would be the Black Widow (Viuda Negra). It was using Jim Walker's fuselage (can't remember the model off hand, Fire Baby?) with their own unique wing shape. Lodela had rights to that. Was not imported to US or adopted for sale in US.
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Post  getback Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:07 am

Timeline for Revell/Lodela https://www.scalemates.com/products/product.php?id=194000&p=timeline This is pretty interesting , Wonder how they got the rights to the model from Cox ? Beers
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Post  KariFS Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:44 am

getback wrote:Timeline for Revell/Lodela  https://www.scalemates.com/products/product.php?id=194000&p=timeline  This is pretty interesting , Wonder how they got the rights to the model from Cox ? Beers

I think it could have been a question of intellectual property rights (patents, licence rights and such). Cox may have developed the model, it looks like it could be manufactured easily and with minimal tooling cost. But another company (Jim Walker and Firebaby maybe?) may have had a US patent for some aspect of the design, making it not possible to market it in the USA. Or, it may have been a ”bought” design that came in an acquisition of another company but someone did not read the small print that may have said ”not to be marketed in the USA”. Certainly a ”DOH” moment and someone had some explaining to do at the next marketing meeting Shocked

To minimize the damage and to recoup some of the cost, the model became a part of the Mexican product portfolio, because the design probably was not patented there.

Just a guess, but that kind of stuff happens all the time in other industries.


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Post  getback Wed Jan 06, 2021 8:40 am

Better guess than i have LOL Small Cox Logo
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Post  rsv1cox Wed Jan 06, 2021 8:58 am

Good to see you back ab, adds to the interesting history of the Cox brand.
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Post  a betancourt Wed Jan 06, 2021 9:47 am

rsv1cox wrote:Good to see you back ab, adds to the interesting history of the Cox brand.

Thank you, have been busy with work and a couple of R/C projects.

My best wishes for 2021, hopefully this will be a more "Normal" year.

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Post  GallopingGhostler Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:58 am

OhBee, rather I'd think for you it would be, «Lo puedo hablar un poquito en el español» (I can speak a tiny bit in Spanish). Smoking

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rsv1cox wrote:Good to see you back ab, adds to the interesting history of the Cox brand.

Thank you, have been busy with work and a couple of R/C projects. My best wishes for 2021, hopefully this will be a more "Normal" year.

Given the weirdness of the whole situation, I think it will be an Abby Normal year. Shocked Tired w/ Coffee Read Old Bugger Popcorn lol!

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Post  a betancourt Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:59 pm

GallopingGhostler wrote:
OhBee wrote:Aah....no 'se habla Espaniol !

Should be, «No sé hablar en el español». drunken (I don't speak Spanish.) Beers

Just off hand, the translation to Spanish seems to follow closely what was said in the American English Cox brochures. Exception would be the Black Widow (Viuda Negra). It was using Jim Walker's fuselage (can't remember the model off hand, Fire Baby?) with their own unique wing shape. Lodela had rights to that. Was not imported to US or adopted for sale in US.

Yes the Viuda Negra, Black Widow in english, used a Firebaby fuselage. As a kid I had the Lodela Cox Firebaby, it was one of the best flying Cox airplanes. Interesting the Firebaby was not marketed by Cox in the US but it was in Mexico.

Another interesting fact is that the Bell Helicopter that used a Pee Wee 020 was sold in Mexico with a 049, you can read this in the ad.

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Post  OhBee Thu Jan 07, 2021 1:29 am

The only Spanish I know I picked up watching westerns! So.....amazed I got THAT close trying to write it!
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Post  a betancourt Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:50 pm

Here is an ad from Lodela Cox with the FireBaby, I had this plane when I was a kid and really liked it.EXTREMELY RARE COX THIMBLE DROME PROTOTYPE "BLACK WIDOW" GAS MODEL AIRPLANE - Page 4 Fire_b12
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Post  rsv1cox Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:02 pm

Thanks a-b............saved it.  

This is still one of my favorite CEF threads.  Happydad was a prime contributor.  Levent's decals. WingingIt74 really started something.  

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Going up a few responses, Lodela also had Eric's new Skycopter.

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Post  944_Jim Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:07 pm

I wonder if Keith Morgan and Admin would allow that PT-19 plan to be parked in the "Instruction sheets" section. I don't know how many times I've referred modellers with beginner flying skills to this plan, even on CEF. Same with the Sterling PT-19 modelled in slab wing/profile fuselage here. I always wind up searching for both when someone says "I wish I still had/I wish I could get" a PT-19 to learn with. Or at least have links to them in the same section.

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Post  Boats13 Thu Feb 29, 2024 8:12 pm

I know resurrection of an old thread, but! Bob, @rsvcox1 (sp?) Since you have preserved several... although NOT a COX engine... Wow! What a cool find! and a vacuum controlled throttle? Hovering?! Vertical takeoff and landing? More skill than I've ever had! This link is for you!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/285739412557?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=k9T5SJEFQe-&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=IyNssaQSRWi&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

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Post  rsv1cox Mon May 06, 2024 6:58 pm

Boats13 wrote:I know resurrection of an old thread,  but! Bob, @rsvcox1 (sp?) Since you have preserved several... although NOT a COX engine... Wow! What a cool find! and a vacuum controlled throttle? Hovering?! Vertical takeoff and landing? More skill than I've ever had! This link is for you!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/285739412557?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=k9T5SJEFQe-&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=IyNssaQSRWi&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

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Ah CT...............I missed your response. Thanks to Robert I found it again. One of my favorite threads. One day, maybe.......for sure........I will run that engine. Definate maybe.........for sure...........
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