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Which controline model?
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Which controline model?
Hi, as I,m really getting the Cox engine bug, I would like to have a go at C/L aerobatics. I could fly my electric Peacemaker OK but crashed it trying my first loop. However the thought of building a Cox powered stunt trainer is quite enticing. If there is a good one with flying/ stunt instructions that woul be even better. As I tend to be a bit reclusive I dont have anyone to ask.
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Re: Which controline model?
ebeneezer wrote:Hi, as I,m really getting the Cox engine bug, I would like to have a go at C/L aerobatics. I could fly my electric Peacemaker OK but crashed it trying my first loop. However the thought of building a Cox powered stunt trainer is quite enticing. If there is a good one with flying/ stunt instructions that woul be even better. As I tend to be a bit reclusive I dont have anyone to ask.
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Boy, where do I start. Lot's of good first 1/2A stunters. Do you want to scratch build or buy a kit?
Baby Ringmaster
Baby Clown
Stuntman 23
Li'l Jumpin Bean
Those are the ones I would chose. The Stuntman 23 is a slab wing the others are built up. Kit's are available for all from Brodak in the USA. You can find plans to scratch build the Baby Ringmaster.
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Re: Which controline model?
Any of them properly built and meticulously aligned will do. My favorite of course is the Baby Flite Streak with a Tee Dee. The loops are so tight and predictable, you almost can't crash it, and don't usually have to backstep. In fact I never have plowed mine except a belly-flop on the tail heavy maiden. It will do outside loops from normal flight 15' off the ground. If you build it light, like 7.50z, even a fast nose into the ground shouldn't bust it. A little extra nose weight and it's a good stunt trainer, lighten the nose and it's still tight on the lines and can stand on the end of the lines straight overhead and do tiny loops.
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I forgot the Streak. Yes another good one from what I have been told, by many seasoned fliers. I am very tempted to build and fly one myself even though the design doesn't overly appeal to me.
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Thanks guys, Baby Flightstreak it is. Plan anybody?
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Re: Which controline model?
There is an "all in one package" for control line
http://www.densmodelsupplies.co.uk/index.php?c=trainer_packages
The kit without the bits is £17.50.
http://www.densmodelsupplies.co.uk/index.php?c=trainer_packages
The kit without the bits is £17.50.
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Re: Which controline model?
ebeneezer wrote:Thanks guys, Baby Flightstreak it is. Plan anybody?
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To back up just a bit...which Cox engine do you intend to use? Do you need beam mounts or is it a tanked engine, or perhaps a Sure Start which needs special mounting and an external tank?
Some of the Brodak kits come with both radial and beam mount. They also sell plans.
There are LOTS of free plans online...all you need do for many is print them.
Of course you can modify plans for your particular installation.
The Baby Flite Streak is a good choice, as would be a Baby Clown. Both fly well.
Another good choice would be a Styntman 23 or a SIG Skyray. They have sheet wings and can take you from beginner to round maneuvers...not so good on the squares...but easily field repairable.
Good luck whichever you choose.
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Re: Which controline model?
I am building a pair of "lil bats" from Blackhawk models, ordered through Cox International. It is nice because it is 2 kits in one box. The kits are very complete. The quality is very nice, other than the rudders being cut the wrong way with respect to grain.
After breaking the rudders off both planes sanding between primer coats I made a new set of rudders with the grain in the direction of the leading edge as it should. I suppose I could have put the original rudders on upside down in the first place though.
Both planes were built in about an hour of work time with several hours of glue-dry time. Building with white "school" glue or yellow "wood" glue works very nicely if a low-odor build is desired.
I haven't flown them yet as I am still in the paint stage.
Phil
After breaking the rudders off both planes sanding between primer coats I made a new set of rudders with the grain in the direction of the leading edge as it should. I suppose I could have put the original rudders on upside down in the first place though.
Both planes were built in about an hour of work time with several hours of glue-dry time. Building with white "school" glue or yellow "wood" glue works very nicely if a low-odor build is desired.
I haven't flown them yet as I am still in the paint stage.
Phil
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Re: Which controline model?
Ha! I broke the rudder of my Lil Bat too, while I was sanding it. I put a hopped up Medallion on mine the first time I flew it. It was a beotch to launch as it's squirrely and was just all over the place until I got it leveled off. My plans CG was way too nose heavy and the loops were big, not small and wild like they're supposed to be. I took it back to the shop and put a Black Widow on it and haven't flown it since then. That was about this time last year.
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Re: Which controline model?
I have a baby stunt bee that I am going to put on one, then decide if I like it or not. If I do then I will need to ask Bernie if he will build me a Baby stunt bee for the second one.
I bet they fly more stable from a hand launch than from a wing sleeve stooge.
Phil
I bet they fly more stable from a hand launch than from a wing sleeve stooge.
Phil
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Yeah, that's what I thought too. I've been meaning to get my son to hand launch it for me when ever he comes home to visit, but haven't gotten around to it. He gave me the kit last Christmas. I haven't built the other one yet. I might take it to the club field next time I load up the car and go. I think it should be a fun little plane. Godsey has one and said it was wild fun to do loops and stunts with. I haven't seen him logged in in a good while now.pkrankow wrote:...I bet they fly more stable from a hand launch than from a wing sleeve stooge.
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Hi guys. I've managed to get the plan of a Baby Ringmaster, so thinking of building that. I get the feeling its quite an icconic design Stateside. So I fancy building one. Would it be worth putting a stunt tank on one of my BabeBees or would a stock one be OK? What sort of weight should be my target?
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Re: Which controline model?
I have a baby ringmaster, but haven't flown it in a long time. It is set up with a regular baby bee on it. I haven't flown it (yet) since starting back into this, so it has been 20 years.
With the regular bee tank setup outside stunts mean fuel is pouring out the fill and vent. It really depends on where you are in your skill level, and if the plane will do the stunts you want it to.
For weight lighter is better (in general). Mine weighs in at 170g with a tin motor mount, hard rubber wheels, and a baby bee engine. I just walked out to the garage and weighed it.
The center spar in the baby ringmaster kit can be simply left out and may make the plane more repairable in a crash. Many other designers did not even use a spar in wings this size opting for LE and TE only. The spar through the center of the rib is reputed to destroy multiple ribs when it rips out in a bad crash.
I received my Baby ringmaster built and finished. Light shining through the wing shows a shadow where the spar should be so I expect it was built to plan.
Phil
With the regular bee tank setup outside stunts mean fuel is pouring out the fill and vent. It really depends on where you are in your skill level, and if the plane will do the stunts you want it to.
For weight lighter is better (in general). Mine weighs in at 170g with a tin motor mount, hard rubber wheels, and a baby bee engine. I just walked out to the garage and weighed it.
The center spar in the baby ringmaster kit can be simply left out and may make the plane more repairable in a crash. Many other designers did not even use a spar in wings this size opting for LE and TE only. The spar through the center of the rib is reputed to destroy multiple ribs when it rips out in a bad crash.
I received my Baby ringmaster built and finished. Light shining through the wing shows a shadow where the spar should be so I expect it was built to plan.
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Thanks, thats great. If I can do loops and and wingovers that will be a great start. So stock BabeeBee it is.
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ebeneezer wrote:Hi guys. I've managed to get the plan of a Baby Ringmaster, so thinking of building that. I get the feeling its quite an icconic design Stateside. So I fancy building one. Would it be worth putting a stunt tank on one of my BabeBees or would a stock one be OK? What sort of weight should be my target?
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The Baby Ring flies well enough to learn to stunt. I built one for my first stunt trainer and flogged it relentlessly, countless crashes and repairs later it still flies. The Babe Bee was rhe engine it was designe for and it does work. That's what I initially used on mine, but went with the Black Widow for longer flights and a little more power.
A stunt tanked Babe Bee would work well. The design builds a touch nose heavy and I had to add weight to the tail to balance it using the Black Widow. The Babe Bee was just about balanced without weight.
I ended up adding really thin doublers to mine as I kept snapping off the nose. I also scrapped the 1/4" balsa engine mount braces in favor of some 1/4"/3x4" trailing edge stock to strengthen the nose. Use Epoxy!!! I have no idea what thw Weight should be, but 6oz or less should do it.
Here is a pic after the initial build. It looks much worse.
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Baby Ringmaster it is. Did the origanel have a logo. If it did, and someone has a copy, could they scan it and email it to me so I can make a copy. I would dearly like it to look authentic.
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ebeneezer wrote:Baby Ringmaster it is. Did the origanel have a logo. If it did, and someone has a copy, could they scan it and email it to me so I can make a copy. I would dearly like it to look authentic.
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Sure, PM me your email and I will send a nice scan.
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