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Post  WingingIt74 on Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:31 am

Please pass this on to as many people as you can. I'm not one to get my feathers ruffled like this but..

If you support keeping jobs in the USA, go to this link to Support the Beechcraft AT-6. There are form letters here at the link below to send to Congress and the Department of Defense. The AT-6 is over $100K less then Embraer's Super Tucano and will out perform it. It's time for Americans to stand up and take action, as there should be no way that a US contract goes to a non-US business.

http://missionreadyat-6.com/take-action/

I write today to express my concerns with the U.S. Air Force decision to award the Light Air Support (LAS) contract to Brazilian-owned Embraer over America's own Beechcraft AT-6 in what has been a controversial and biased procurement process thus far. This decision would provide an economic boost overseas -- jeopardizing 1,400 jobs across the country as American manufacturing workers face challenges here at home.

The AT-6 would preserve 1,400 American jobs at 181 companies in 38 U.S. states, whereas the other bidder for the LAS contract, Brazil's Embraer, presents the possibility of only 50 final assembly jobs in this country. As our economy continues to recover, Department of Defense (DOD) officials and policymakers should more carefully consider the implications of sending these jobs to a South American country that is so outspoken in its opposition to American foreign policy.

Not only does the AT-6 provide the best advanced training and light attack capabilities required for LAS at a lower cost, it achieves real efficiencies that no other competitor can possibly match by leveraging significant prior DOD investment. With sequestration defense budget cuts imminent, awarding the contract to Brazil's Embraer would inexplicably cost American taxpayers 40% more -- $125 million over budget.

I strongly support Beechcraft's bid to build LAS aircraft for the U.S. Air Force. This contract represents an opportunity to sustain American engineering and manufacturing jobs and strengthen our national security for years to come. Since multiple investigations have shown the initial LAS contract procurement process was mishandled and unfairly biased toward Brazil's Embraer, I support Beechcraft's determination to ask the Government Accountability Office (GAO) to review the Air Force decision for possible improprieties.

The Air Force's decision is surprising since they rated the American-made Beechcraft AT-6 as "exceptional" in their recent evaluation of the aircraft. The AT-6 has proven that it can accomplish the entire mission spectrum described in the LAS competition and more. It has demonstrated the technical and performance superiority of the American-made AT-6 over the competition at events like the Air Force's Joint Expeditionary Force Experiment (JEFX) 2010.

All of our current Air Force, Navy, Marine Corps and Coast Guard fixed-wing pilots have trained on a Beechcraft aircraft. The company has a history of manufacturing aircraft that meet the military needs of this country since World War II. Therefore, I respectfully ask you to join the list of policy makers and members of the flying military who support Beechcraft's bid for the LAS contract. We have the opportunity to ensure the men and women of our armed forces are equipped with the best possible aircraft while bolstering crucial American jobs.
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Post  Mudhen on Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:46 am

It used to be American forces flew American metal. We had the best designs. I get irked to no end with this mindset that allows American jobs to be sold to oversees bidders; particularly when we’re suffering right here at home. The American military has lost its focus. “To fly and to fight,” has become “Don’t offend and be quiet.” Even as little as 20 years ago we’d never have settled for a foreign design; our military would only have considered the best design that supports our citizens. Now it’s just a political dungheep.
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Post  John Goddard on Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:53 am

Look a what you have guy's not what you don't.
It could be worse you might live in a part of the world where
State contracts HAVE to be offered to everyone foreign and
domestic by law. We no longer make trains for example.
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Post  altidsulten on Tue Mar 19, 2013 12:48 pm

Facts please!!

The AT-6 only exists in two prototypes.

The Super Tucano is tried in harsh condition in South America.

It is NOT meant for American pilots (it is for the Afghan Airforce!)

More than 85% of the parts in the Super Tucano is bourght from the US. The planes will be assemblied in Nevada by a US company (Sierre Nevada).

It is a 20 aircraft contract, if HBC needs 800 workers to put these 20 planes together in a rate of 2 per mounth(!), i think i know why they are having economical problems.

I am not a pro-tucano-man, but i just thourght that this post needed a some facts.
Maybe there even was a reason why the AF choose the Super Tucano the first time?? Huh...
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Post  WingingIt74 on Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:20 pm

Not quite sure why "WE" (as in the US) are supplying the Afghan Air-force in the first place....

I don't believe that's all the facts either... somebody is getting a kickback somewhere...

Being tried and true doesn't always mean a better option.


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Post  altidsulten on Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:22 pm

I think it is cheaper in the long run, to let them do the fighting!
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Post  WingingIt74 on Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:24 pm

altidsulten wrote:I think it is cheaper in the long run, to let them do the fighting!

I couldn't agree more with that statement.... they will always fight over there...
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Post  WingingIt74 on Tue Mar 19, 2013 6:08 pm

altidsulten wrote:Facts please!!

The AT-6 only exists in two prototypes.

The Super Tucano is tried in harsh condition in South America.


You forgot the fact that the AT-6 is based on the T-6 Texan II which is not a prototype and is in current service with multiple countries, including the US.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beechcraft_T-6_Texan_II

AT-6B Texan II
Armed version of the T-6B for primary weapons training or light attack roles. It has the same digital cockpit, but upgraded to include datalink and integrated electro-optical sensors along with several weapons configurations. Engine power is increased to 1,600 hp and the structure is reinforced.
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Post  Mark Boesen on Tue Mar 19, 2013 6:33 pm

yep, a Swiss plane...
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Post  altidsulten on Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:18 am

The key-word here is "based". New engine, new software and reinforced structure (again).
As a matter of fact, the T-6 ended up with a 20% weight gain compaired to the Pilatus (and a cost overrun of 50% for the project)


WingingIt74 wrote:
altidsulten wrote:Facts please!!

The AT-6 only exists in two prototypes.

The Super Tucano is tried in harsh condition in South America.


You forgot the fact that the AT-6 is based on the T-6 Texan II which is not a prototype and is in current service with multiple countries, including the US.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beechcraft_T-6_Texan_II

AT-6B Texan II
Armed version of the T-6B for primary weapons training or light attack roles. It has the same digital cockpit, but upgraded to include datalink and integrated electro-optical sensors along with several weapons configurations. Engine power is increased to 1,600 hp and the structure is reinforced.
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Post  Mark Boesen on Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:19 am

...they just need to build some more Mustangs!
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Post  WingingIt74 on Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:22 am

Mark Boesen wrote:...they just need to build some more Mustangs!

Piper tried that in the 70's & 80's...

Piper PA-48 Enforcer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piper_PA-48_Enforcer
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Post  Kim on Wed Mar 20, 2013 12:52 pm

Hard to believe that a Mustang could be out-done by a Warthog !!!!

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Post  WingingIt74 on Wed Mar 20, 2013 1:01 pm

I'm actually surprised they just don't make a 2-seater A-10... oh wait they did Smile ...one YA-10B

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