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Post  BillD60 on Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:04 pm

Hi, I'm new to this forum. I have checked out many of the postings and found this site quite amazing. As a kid, I had many of the cox gas powered aircraft and vehicles (they just don't make toys quite like that anymore. I recently purchased a collection of toys mainly G.I. Joe stuff from an ex Hasbro employee. Included in the collection were two aprox. 1/25 scale gas powered cars called "the Great Gassers" both the pieces are new never used. The guy that sold me the collection said he believes that these cars never came on the market. I would appreciate some help or history on these cars if there is anyone out there that has ever seen or heard of these vehicles.

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Re: Hasbro "the Great Gassers"

Post  Marleysky on Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:23 pm

Well, WELCOME to the forum!!  Those Hasbro Gassers look fairly unique? I've never seen one before. You'll have to pop open the body from the chassis and show some pictures of the engine to determine just who's or what engine is in there!

hey? How did ya post pictures in your 1st post?? lol!
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Re: Hasbro "the Great Gassers"

Post  BillD60 on Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:01 pm

Give me a day or two I will take some better photos of the cars and engines. I'm still sorting the collection out. How did I post photos on my first posting? It actually took 2 attempts, but luck had a lot to do with it!
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Re: Hasbro "the Great Gassers"

Post  roddie on Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:20 pm

I've heard of those.. Don't know much about the engines that were used though..

See this vid.. (they must have been sold at one time..)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKH95nBZd1I



EDIT: see this CEF post.. (it looks like they never made it to the market..)

https://www.coxengineforum.com/t7130-anyone-ever-heard-of-hasbro-s-the-great-gassers
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Re: Hasbro "the Great Gassers"

Post  batjac on Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:08 pm

I have those on my eBay watch list. They come up from time to time, but the price always goes up above what I want to pay.

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Re: Hasbro "the Great Gassers"

Post  Mark Boesen on Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:13 pm

You got to wonder if they never were offered for sale..why would they design, package, advertise, etc. and then not sell? If a product is not going to market you would think they'd pull the plug a lot sooner while it was still in preproduction. I've also seen guys claim they were made in the early 60's!

THEY WERE RETAILED! But i don't think they sold very well. The first time I remember looking at these (while mom and dad shopped) was at a large store, they were dumped in a large discount bin. IMO, I remember they looked pretty cheesy and i hate to say even worse then the Testors cars. Now days since they're fairly rare they do bring pretty good money. The engine was made by a company called Cameron(?) and was less than .020 cu. in., but can't remember exact.


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Re: Hasbro "the Great Gassers"

Post  getback on Sat Apr 15, 2017 8:08 am

Welcome to the forum Bill!! Cool toys , sounds like you got lucky grabbing those goodies from a former employee. Easter Bunny
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Re: Hasbro "the Great Gassers"

Post  Cribbs74 on Sat Apr 15, 2017 2:50 pm

If it wasn't for them looking so gawdy, they probably would have sold well. I like the track you ran them on, it was a good idea, just not well executed.IMHO
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Better Photos of the "Great Gassers" by Hasbro

Post  BillD60 on Sat Apr 15, 2017 5:05 pm

As promised I have gone through the collection I purchased and here are some better photos of the Great Gasser cars. One seems to be a 1972-73 style Mustang the other may be a Charger or maybe a AMC Javelin. I did not remove the bodies it appears that you need to unscrew the chassis to access the engine, since these are so mint I did not want to risk damaging them. According to the person who sold me the collection the packaging for these was not developed yet the boxes these are in were packaged in a master carton of ten pieces. He worked at Hasbro from 1969 to 1976, the collection included a bunch of G.I Joe stuff and these.













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Re: Hasbro "the Great Gassers"

Post  crankbndr on Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:46 am

Is this the engine? I remembered this photo from .049 Collectors Group. There is a story behind it but can't remember what it is.

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Re: Hasbro "the Great Gassers"

Post  roddie on Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:20 pm

crankbndr wrote:Is this the engine? I remembered this photo from .049 Collectors Group. There is a story behind it but can't remember what it is.


The other thread linked in my previous post has more info on the engine.. via a link to RC Groups. At least two sources confirm the "Cameron" engine to be of .027 size.





Ultra-cool stuff for sure! You have to wonder what really happened to this product. So much of the info on them is conjecture. Maybe there were engine-starting issues leading to products being returned. Mark Boesen mentions as a youngster; seeing the "cars" in a discount/clearance bin at the store. After all.. these were marketed as "toys".. and most parents who bought them didn't have a clue about trouble-shooting a tiny finicky model-engine.

It is tough to read the instruction-sheet images posted.. but the section on starting the engine would seem pretty straight-forward for a person with previous experience. Most buyers of these cars probably had little to none. In my opinion; Hasbro dove into this concept "cold" in an effort to compete with Cox's Pee Wee powered cars of close to the same scale/function. It's likely that more of the people who bought the Cox variants, had previous experience with Cox engines/products. Not to mention that the Cox cars were styled much more attractively.





Cool I'm pretty sure that the above images are all of the small Cox .020 powered cars. I think there was a Corvette too.. I would have probably opted for the Camaro as a kid in 1968.. but now as a bigger kid; I'd probably go for the Buick. Laughing Our "Bob" (rsv1cox) has a couple of Cox Buicks I believe.

Hasbro was well-outside of their marketing-zone as compared to Cox. They must have spent and lost a good amount of capital on that product. Hasbro was a "toy giant" at that time though. The decision to contract with Cameron for the engine is interesting. As can be seen on the bottom of the little Cameron engine; "Hasbro Pat Pending".



I wonder if Hasbro attempted to strike a deal with Cox for the engines originally? That could have been a win-win if marketed properly. It would have been less risky for Hasbro at the time; given the reliability and popularity of the Cox engines by the early 1970's. Cameron was apparently still around at the time.. and had furnished Roy Cox with an .09 (?) engine for his first tether-car several years earlier. Dooling may have been out of business by that time.. but McCoy/Testors was certainly alive and well..  Huh... I'd personally like to know more of the story..

The Hasbro "Great Gassers" cars (Mustang and Dodge Charger)  may have not been as pretty.. but if you could got them running reliably.. and had the purpose-built race-track circuit to run them on.. that would have been the ultimate in fun! IMO....

Do any of you people born in the early 60's remember the Mattel Hot-Wheels "Sizzlers"? Mattel should revisit that concept again.. with the same gas-pump style charging-station.. and todays lithium battery technology. I'd "buy it now" at 57 years old!
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Engine and chassis Photos

Post  BillD60 on Sun Apr 16, 2017 2:35 pm

When all else fails, read the instructions! The bodies do flip up without unscrewing the chassis. Here are some engine photos. There is also a compartment in the front for two AA batteries although there is no mention on the instructions for installation of batteries. I wonder if these were originally designed to run with electric motors. There are no contacts for the batteries but the plastic has the placement and orientation molded into the plastic.



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Re: Hasbro "the Great Gassers"

Post  Mark Boesen on Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:54 pm

Thanks for posting photos, very interesting to see detail of engine/muffer, etc.

It's fun to speculate what happened to them and/or why? I'm guessing after first shipment or two, they just didn't sell and production was canceled.

For a car that never was retailed, it's odd that they keep showing up every now and then on aBay, often with the factory packaging? Several years ago somebody posted on one of the R/C forums that it was made in the early 60's and never went into production? The guy was mistaken on both accounts, yet the story still gets passed along as fact?
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Re: Hasbro "the Great Gassers"

Post  Cribbs74 on Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:05 pm

Seeing as they are patterned after early 70's Mustang/Charger I don't know how anyone could mistake them as being from the 60's

If they just made them look more like the real thing I bet they would have sold well.
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Re: Hasbro "the Great Gassers"

Post  706jim on Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:55 am

Side port engine. Meaning that it would happily run in either direction just like the Cox reedies. It's amazing how rough they look compared to the machined look of any Cox engine. I'd think that keeping rpm's under control until the car was launched could be a problem. All Cameron engines I've seen have those peculiar vertical cooling fins.
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Re: Hasbro "the Great Gassers"

Post  batjac on Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:32 am

Aaaannnnd, they're up!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-Hasbro-the-Great-Gassers-Gas-Powered-Tether-Cars-New-Old-Stock-/112376894229?hash=item1a2a2f5315:g:qAEAAOSwJ4hY9~4V


I predict 23 watchers, 0 bidders.

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Re: Hasbro "the Great Gassers"

Post  Mark Boesen on Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:40 am

who knows, it would be interesting to know what the best offer would be? I gotta think 1k is toward the top of value...
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Post  Marleysky on Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:25 pm

batjac wrote:Aaaannnnd, they're up!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-Hasbro-the-Great-Gassers-Gas-Powered-Tether-Cars-New-Old-Stock-/112376894229?hash=item1a2a2f5315:g:qAEAAOSwJ4hY9~4V


I predict 23 watchers, 0 bidders.

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I think your predictions are "spot on" Clapping

I'll take a lesson learned from Mark Boesen and 049 collectors group,  a picture is worth a 1000 words, but in this case, it'd be worth a $1000!  Not feeling the need to have and hold em in my hands, the pictures are nice to look at.
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Re: Hasbro "the Great Gassers"

Post  Mark Boesen on Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:43 pm

lol, i resemble that remark...years ago i pickup a early 60's mint Wen-Mac p-38, after 3-4 years of it setting on the shelf i felt i'd rather have the money. There is a large group of guys out there that have no problem buying all the cool toys, i'm just not one of them. I would not be surprised if the cars did bring a G note.


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Re: Hasbro "the Great Gassers"

Post  roddie on Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:35 pm

batjac wrote:Aaaannnnd, they're up!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-Hasbro-the-Great-Gassers-Gas-Powered-Tether-Cars-New-Old-Stock-/112376894229?hash=item1a2a2f5315:g:qAEAAOSwJ4hY9~4V


I predict 23 watchers, 0 bidders.

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The seller is in Woonsocket, RI.. which is about 5mi. from me. Cool story in the auction about how they were originally made in this area.
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