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Open COX speed event with prizes out to 3rd place in 2 categories

Post  fredvon4 on Sat Sep 08, 2018 12:29 pm

Dead line mid night USA CDST 31 Dec 2018...Can be extended to mid night CDST 31 January by popular request of CEF members actually participating

This is a "run what ya brung" event
Two rules only:
Any stock or modified Cox engine, any fuel, any propeller
Under .049 on 32" lines timed for 10 laps (yes Virginia...this means .010 and .020 engines)
.049 and up ( yes Virginia a conquest .15 is OK) on 42" lines timed for 10 laps

CEF and the forum is the Contest director, arbiter, and management of this of this NON AMA event....all claims of 10 lap speed must be evidenced by a video of the flight posted to CEF....all claims and videos submitted become property of CEF for all promotional and advertising rights...winners should expect to be interviewed and their story and exploits entered into the public domain

Fred C von Gortler IV LLC/ INC/ .COM/ .ORG/ .GOV/ . EDU is the sponsor

Is offering cash prizes only to 3 place in 2 categories: under .049 COX engine---.049 and above COX engine
1st place $100
2nd place $50
3rd place $25

Odds of winning any prize is established by total entries that comply with all past CEF contest rules and factorial of the 99/78th rule of profound error as currently disclaimed by almost all fantasy league betting programs

For some brief history:
https://www.coxengineforum.com/t11255-cox-engine-forum-speed-contest-2018

additional history on the sponsor: from Oct 2017

Mostly cuz I like these CEF unique events---- and I am a big proponent of max participation... see my thoughts on the Engine of the month where I lament the lack of participation in spite of generous prizes donated

AH, Poo... All my TeeDee's only have Galbraith heads and Nelson Plugs and none will run on suction
Just bought a real cool Cox magnesium speed pan

Went back and re-read the entire CEF Reed Speed rules and remembered why I did not enter...

I really like the basic concept JPvelo is campaigning... but would like to see it even less restrictive... Open.... run what ya brung---everything goes event

I still believe in Basic ---....just so we have a basis to compare and agree

Keep it same limits on exact line length...

MUST BE COX base engine (any mods) but the CEF speed contest is all about COX engine...any configuration and size...

The prop rule is not really needed... there are combat and speed glass props.... most all commercially available

NOT much in the way of real exotic high zoot props out there...Cox engines all have a limit on RPM

I am OK with #35% N and no exotic fuels... 'tis what most of us have and run anyway

OTOH--- I have played with 40~60%N and additives... grin
Would not mind reading and seeing an "in rule" attempt and then, an "exception to fuel" run by some member...documented

Say ---- for example---I ran a open design model, on 32' lines and Teedee UNLIMITED Cox engine with Sig Champion 35%N to 63 MPH... solidly in third place against other CEF contestants

BUT ---then I documented a second attempt using exotic 60% brew that manged only 10 laps before the cylinder blew off...BUT the math sez I was spinning 99MPH....OK I am not a top dog winner... BUT it is still cool, funny and sort of demands next year some one attempt to BEAT 99MPH

So with that in mind...

.010 class
.020 class
. 049/.051 class
yadda Yadda

We all know the members on CEF are fine gents and ladies....gentleman/gentlewomen rules.. we trust your claims and desire video to have fun watching your attempt

There are no prizes of any real value...but do intend to catalog/acknowledge your winning for all time within the tomes of the perpetual CEF inter-web forum in words and photos

I also would ask the deadline be extended to mid spring 2018...say April 30...many of the members need at least a 6 month window to find acceptable trials and WX for record attempt

Please dear group....no matter the rules... support this event,

I am officially NOW a sponsor with:
1-- $100 US(or foreign country equivalent) Cash prize to First place (evidenced by CEF popular vote)
1-- Brodak or RSM kit of choice from the 1/2 a list of kits for Second place (evidenced by CEF popular vote)((basically allocated $75)
1-- Sig MFG or Tower single quart fuel cost for any blend desired for Third place (evidenced by CEF popular vote)(( basically allocated $30))

I eliminate myself from any prizes

I nominate Rusty/Kim/Ron Cribbs to be arbitrators of any and all disputes

JPvelo ...since this has been his passion over the years, is free to accept or REJECT any or all of my notions without hurting my fragile feeling in any way...


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Re: Open COX speed event with prizes out to 3rd place in 2 categories

Post  Ken Cook on Sat Sep 08, 2018 2:11 pm

Fred, excuse me for what may sound like a question already answered. I'm not understanding your line length suggestions. If I'm reading this correctly, your saying that ALL .049's and up are 42'? Everything under is 35'? That's quite a disadvantage to the reedies. However if that's what it is, it is. Does the timing start at takeoff, or after X amount of laps?
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Post  modelbuilder49 on Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:57 pm

Howdy Fred!  Well, all I can say is .... "I'm in" Laughing  I have no idea what I'm going to use, how I'm going to do it, or when I'm going to "'git'er done" but it sound like it's gonn'a be fun.  I don't know the first thing about fiberglass or kevlar molding, engine or prop mods and really don't give a hoot but as far as I'm concerned you call the rules and say balsa is legal then I'll comply .... to the best of my ability   Laughing .

1.  I would ask you to reconsider line lengths though so I can have fun and enter my little .020 Rivets .... if it will even have enough fuel to fly 10 laps Smile .
2.  Oh yeah,  Huh...  I have to follow Ken on this one: Does the timing start at takeoff, or after X amount of laps  Huh... ?  (For some reason all of mine seem to take off like somebody stuck a banana in the exhaust stacks but after a few laps they seem to kick in pretty good  Laughing )
3.  Is there a limit to the number of times a fellow enters?  In other words, as I write this, I've got about 20 different models all with their own Cox 1/2A's (.020, .049's, and .051's) mounted and while not a dadgum one of them is a "whoopteedo super hot racer", they're mine, they're ordinary, they're average and they're fun to play and mess with.  S'pose I entered each one of them Huh... , would that be okay??
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Re: Open COX speed event with prizes out to 3rd place in 2 categories

Post  fredvon4 on Sun Sep 09, 2018 12:58 pm

Please guys do NOT try to make this very hard...I do not care one Witt if a Cox teedee .010 is flown on 10 foot line length at 1.7 second laps

Every thing I wrote above suggest max sarcasim, max fun, some meager attempt at our typical COX CEF forum sense of self regulation and fairness

I truly doubt any true Forum member will try to pass off a 22.6" line length run to try and win a paltry $100

Simple rules....COX engines only

OK you guys tell me a fair Line length and engine size division...I really do not care=== I just want to have fun, promote this great web site, and entice max participation with a CASH prize

Hell I think we all get a great laugh out of some simple shingle 7 oz plank plane with a TeeDee .051 on bladder spinning the ID10T pilot into the ground on 15' lines....Remember Video required....

Cheating is discouraged but readily assumed.... grin.....In fact I am considering a consolidated cheaters category for MOST inventive or original CHEAT....mishaps a stupid funny video of some nut case screaming Cox engine on 60% Vitamin N and 10 foot lines

Serious guys I just want max participation and fun videos and have disposable CASH to promote the idea...add to the discussion...what do YOU want as RULES... I personally say None are needed...CEF has a LOT of FUNNY GUYS already
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Post  modelbuilder49 on Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:33 pm

fredvon4 wrote:Please guys do NOT try to make this very hard...I do not care one Witt if a Cox teedee .010 is flown on 10 foot line length at 1.7 second laps. Every thing I wrote  above suggest max sarcasim, max fun, some meager attempt at our typical COX CEF forum sense of self regulation and fairness. Serious guys I just want max participation and fun videos and have disposable CASH to promote the idea...add to the discussion...what do YOU want as RULES... I personally say None are needed...CEF has a LOT of FUNNY GUYS already

Okay! Gotcha!! Just have fun, make a video and be content! Cuzzin' .... I'm all 'fer it! Thankee, thankee, thankee!!!
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