Reeds...........?

Yes. Inquiring minds want to know about substituting a rectangular reed for a bent star. Been wondering the same thing.

In a nutshell the clip style reed retainer was meant for the thin copper reeds. Plastic reeds were used later on with the cup style reed retainer.

Since the copper reeds are not freely available, I just sand the face of the retaining clip until the plastic reed rotates freely. Doesn’t take much.

If the reed doesn’t move freely the engine will run like crap. Personally I use the stainless steel reeds as they last longer.

Ron

Roddie did some exhaustive research on reed thickness, maybe he will chime in and post a link to the thread.

I have used all kinds of different reeds and the clear Mylar is my preferred choice. I find them to offer more reliability in terms of not becoming glued to the tank during storage but they have a much shorter lifespan. They deform and become sucked into the venturi hole.  I noted that they were becoming stock items in Black Widows in the 87-89 years. I have some dated as 95 still using the circlip retention and these used clear Mylar reeds. This was also a transitional crossover point from metal tank backs to plastic. The beryllium stars were always in my older Babe Bee engines. I find them to be quite reliable but a lot more fragile. They seemed to be damaged in the packages as they were just sent loose in the plastic bag overhaul kits. All the loose hardware could damage them and those were the days you didn't receive another unless you bought another kit.

      The white Davis Diesel Teflon reeds claimed higher rpm's I had a issue with these on old circlip style reed retainer engines. This was on my best runner when the clip departed on a full out run. I truly feel and never mic'd the reed thickness that the Teflon reed was responsible for this.  The clip jammed into the side of the case making a bulge in the case. I couldn't believe it as it almost exited the case. From this point on, I recheck every circlip installed making 100% certainty that it's retained in it's groove and the reed rotates. I use the Mylar reeds and stainless reeds under the circlips with no issues. Keep in mind that there was also different circlip thickness's involved as well.

Had the same problem last week building a few motors . Ended going back to the star reeds with the round clips . I like both the copper and mylar reeds . The stainless reeds are ok but I think that they may wear the reed seat out a bit quicker , stainless is a lot harder than mylar or copper . Good subject to bring up .

Mike 1484

The circlips in the postage stamp backplates are a thinner wire gauge and fit well using the Mylar reeds in the metal tanks. Another reason to hoard the postage stamp backplates. As a bonus most had beryllium copper star reeds and if careful can be reused.

Not wanting to hijack the thread, but I have a question regarding the copper star shaped reeds. And that question is if they have been bent or are slightly deformed, is there any way to reform them or straighten them out?

I successfully reclaimed 3 badly mangled copper beryllium star reeds

very flat 12"x 12"x 3" granite plate and one solid 2" x 2" x 3" chunk of brass bar stock

put the reed on the granite
propane torch to very red took about 3 seconds
brass bar on the copper and one smack with dead blow hammer

wrinkles krinkles and distortions gone

they were toast so nothing to loose....worked for me

scissors each ear as the reed grew in diameter slightly

The interesting thing is that Ronald Valentine, who manufactures performance engines from scratch, insists that he prefers that the reeds don't turn and designs his setup so that the reed is pinched at the edges. Of course the reed still needs to "breathe" in the centre.

Jason_WI wrote:The circlips in the postage stamp backplates are a thinner wire gauge and fit well using the Mylar reeds in the metal tanks. Another reason to hoard the postage stamp backplates. As a bonus most had beryllium copper star reeds and if careful can be reused.

Thanks Jason , I knew there is a difference in thickness but not were they came from . I make my own reeds from .005 " mylar from note book binders and trace from Bernie's reeds that come in a punch out sheet .

steel, plastics, brass alloys, copper alloys, stainless alloys all sorts of shapes and configurations have been tried since the advent of the 2 stroke reed induction engine

Max HP usually means low life and frequent changes

Beryllium copper (BeCu), also known as copper beryllium (CuBe), beryllium bronze and spring copper, is a copper alloy with 0.5—3% beryllium,, Cox specked this alloy as durable and peak efficiency and COST>>>>>!!!!!

BTW any health concerns should NOTE 0.5 to 3 % Beryllium....and you have to eat or breath the beryllium to be any hazard and life time consumption by a Cox modeler would have to be massive....no, seriously the alloy is NOT that toxic until you feed rats with 30 reeds ground into their feed...

Rebuilding a 4, 6 or 8 cylinder 4 stroke IC engine with Babbitt bearings exposes you to 10,000 time more beryllium and lead than any Cox Reed....