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Post  66 Malibu on Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:53 pm

Heads up...
In about 18 Hours Tim Dannels Cox Model Engine Handbook ends eBay on Feb. 7 and it shows 1 remaining for sale ….
If you put off buying one this could be your last chance to get one for a while..
I don't know him or have any interest in his book other that it is great historical resource for Cox enthusiasts.
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Post  GallopingGhostler on Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:31 am

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Post  Oldenginerod on Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:37 am


Huh... That's about $80 AUD shipped. affraid

I don't what to sound like a tightwad, but there's a lot of other stuff I could get for that.  That's not to diminish the value of the book No!
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Post  rsv1cox on Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:10 am

I have had this book for several months now, and refer to it occasionally and quote it here in some of my threads. But, it's not as wonderful or complete as I thought it would be. That said it's a valuable resource and I wouldn't be without it.

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Post  Kim on Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:27 am

rsv1cox wrote:I have had this book for several months now, and refer to it occasionally and quote it here in some of my threads.  But, it's not as wonderful or complete as I thought it would be.  That said it's a valuable resource and I wouldn't be without it.


Agreed. I've spent a LOT of time paging through it, and for someone at my level, it's pretty enjoyable. MANY unknown (to me) items listed along with some of their histories.

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Post  GallopingGhostler on Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:16 am

It's a non-issue for now, it is gone. Sad Goodbye Someone bought it, may be even someone who's in this forum. sunny
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Post  Mudhen on Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:39 am

rsv1cox wrote:...But, it's not as wonderful or complete as I thought it would be.  That said it's a valuable resource and I wouldn't be without it.

If a similar book were published, what kind of information would you like to see/read?
What would make the work enjoyable?
I real am curious...
This is for all in the forum:
If you had a say, what would you like to see?


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Post  rsv1cox on Thu Feb 07, 2019 10:51 am

Mudhen wrote:
rsv1cox wrote:...But, it's not as wonderful or complete as I thought it would be.  That said it's a valuable resource and I wouldn't be without it.

If a similar book were published, what kind of information would you like to see/read?
What would make the work enjoyable?
I real am curious...
This is for all in the forum:
If you had a say, what would you like to see?

When I wrote that I was trying to remember exactly what the book did not address that I was looking for so I could be specific. I remember it was a common item and expressed it in one of my posts. I just can't find it. I did find a reference in my Silver Bee thread, but that wasn't it. It will come to me eventually and I will address it then.

Minor gripes, I find the indexes confusing and I had to hunt for the meaning of "ECJ" quoted in all the engine pictures but not well defined in the introduction.
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Post  Cribbs74 on Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:31 am

Not having ever seen the book, does it give detaiiled model year changes?

I see a lot of repeat questions on the forum year after year. Most probably don’t have the book, so repeat questions are expected. It never hurts to get re-educated either.

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Post  rsv1cox on Thu Feb 07, 2019 11:58 am

Cribbs74 wrote:Not having ever seen the book, does it give detaiiled model year changes?

I see a lot of repeat questions on the forum year after year. Most probably don’t have the book, so repeat questions are expected. It never hurts to get re-educated either.

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It references pages in the Engine Collectors Journals (ECJ)

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Post  Cribbs74 on Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:10 pm

So you need to purchase another book to decipher?
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Post  rsv1cox on Thu Feb 07, 2019 12:56 pm

Cribbs74 wrote:So you need to purchase another book to decipher?

Just find back copies of the Journal and/or subscribe.

https://www.modelenginecollecting.com/collectors-journal.html

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Post  Mudhen on Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:20 pm

I suppose what I'm getting at is this:
If you purchased a book on Cox products -
What information would you like contained in the text, and,
In what way should the information be presented so that it's a pleasure to read?
In other words, what would it take for you to be delighted after reading the book?
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Post  Cribbs74 on Thu Feb 07, 2019 1:51 pm

If those pictures Bob posted are representative of the book then there is not much of a description.

So:

Years produced to include introductory year.
Variations and when they happened
Models used in (if applicable)
Maybe a brief description of the base engine used ie: Babe Bee modified for use in the Cox Mercedes.
Cylinder type, taper or non taper numbering
Head type.
Anodize colors and years changed ie: gold to silver
Plastic colors and year changes

I see that it does contain some or all of that info already, Maybe just proper sentences in bullet format.


The ECJ stuff can stay in I suppose, just all those page references make the text cluttered. Perhaps instead of each ECJ reference just a picture and brief description.

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Post  rsv1cox on Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:21 pm

Still the best reference for Cox engines and products IMO.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cox_model_engine
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Post  coxaddict on Thu Feb 07, 2019 2:47 pm

In Hawaii we have a monthly magazine called Hawaii Fishing News.  After years of tips and tricks on fishing submitted to the  magazine there was enough material to publish three books on the subject.
I think a collaborating of sorts with all the people with knowledge in this forum and elsewhere to write a book on the evolution of Cox engines including prototyping, successes and fails and maybe interviews with engineers, machine operators who are still with us. Also the aftermarket industry and the whys and why not in the modifications.  There is also a lot of hobbyists using Cox parts to make their own version of engines. That could be a section in the book.   A plus would be actual written tips and experiences by contributing writers like Paul G. , Mudhen, etc.
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Post  balogh on Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:59 pm

What I would love to read is stories about the development of engines and components, from the heyday of COX, told by former employees..read COX ads from the 60-s and 70-s...see photos on the factory and people working the machinery...I would have loved to work there at 1505 East Warner Avenue in Santa Ana..made 2 pilgrimages Very Happy there in the recent years just to see where my engines were born..man I was late by some 30 years..
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Post  SteveM on Thu Feb 07, 2019 5:34 pm

coxaddict wrote:In Hawaii we have a monthly magazine called Hawaii Fishing News.  After years of tips and tricks on fishing submitted to the  magazine there was enough material to publish three books on the subject.
I think a collaborating of sorts with all the people with knowledge in this forum and elsewhere to write a book on the evolution of Cox engines including prototyping, successes and fails and maybe interviews with engineers, machine operators who are still with us. Also the aftermarket industry and the whys and why not in the modifications.  There is also a lot of hobbyists using Cox parts to make their own version of engines. That could be a section in the book.   A plus would be actual written tips and experiences by contributing writers like Paul G. , Mudhen, etc.

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Post  Mudhen on Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:11 pm

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I admit some of Dan's work befuddled me.
In one section he claims an engine was not produced, (350-2,) and then on the same page, claims that it was. Huh...
In the Mercedes engine section he lists two ECJ numbered engines, one of which has a specific date. Yet, when you read the parts list, it's identical.
What changed? And why is the engine upright?



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Post  Admin on Thu Feb 07, 2019 6:41 pm

Is it possible that the Bill of Material was for a different 350-2 engine? Similar to how the number 350-3 was used for two very different engines, one used in the Sea Bee boat and the one used in the Mercedes Benz? I did confirm by looking at the Mercedes manual and the Sea Bee parts list that the engines are indeed numbered 350-3 by Cox.

If this was the case, the 350-2 mentioned as not being produced should have included some details to differentiate it from the 350-2 that was produced.


Getting the experts and the mega collectors we have on the forum together to write a book would be really good. If anything, Mud, you need to write a book. I'd be the first to buy a copy.

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Post  Cribbs74 on Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:10 pm

Mudhen wrote:Cox Model Engine Handbook Dan0210]

I admit some of Dan's work befuddled me.
In one section he claims an engine was not produced, (350-2,) and then on the same page, claims that it was. Huh...
In the Mercedes engine section he lists two ECJ numbered engines, one of which has a specific date. Yet, when you read the parts list, it's identical.
What changed? And why is the engine upright?




The upright Mercedes engine appears on an episode of “Leave It To Beaver”

I always thought it was odd that that Mercedes had the cylinder sticking through the hood. Figured it was some kind of prototype thing.

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Post  Mudhen on Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:48 pm

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Would something like this be helpful?
I blurred the remainder, and removed the footnotes to protect my work. But you get the idea.
What if something like this were done for the history of Cox products?
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Post  Cribbs74 on Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:52 pm

That is exactly what I was thinking. Clear informative easy to read text
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Post  Jason_WI on Thu Feb 07, 2019 8:00 pm

Nice. Where do I buy a copy?
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