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Post  GallopingGhostler Tue Mar 15, 2022 11:56 am

I think Kim hit the nail on the head in the first statement below. lol!

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Kim wrote:Wup! It's all Bob's fault!!! "Down the Rabbit Hole We go!!!"

Since we all love "music" made by other than musical instruments and singers, I have created this new thread, so we can continue this discussion down the rabbit hole. Laughing

Oldenginerod wrote:Hi George. The early Datsun Bluebird was very similar as well.

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Rod, I actually owned this very vehicle. I totaled my 1968 Hino Contessa in a non-injury crash (I think it was manufactured out of recycle Soporo beer cans, metal was about half the thickness of American cars. affraid ) In my senior year, 1972, I bought from a friend's brother, his well used 1967 Datsun PL411 (what they called it in the US) for a song. It was a Budget Rent-a-Car Doh! before he bought it. Shortly after graduation, swapped my civvies for a tan khaki uniform in Uncle Sam's HQ band in Hawaii after initial training.

I overhauled the engine, replaced rusted out muffler, brakes, shocks, boosted sagging rear with helper springs (back then, seemed all cars including US had leaf springs that lost their temper with age), repainted it from the factory medium blue to a golden burnt orange brown, got seats reupholstered. Used it for about a year before selling it and getting the 1970 Mazda 1800. Reason why I got rid of it, I was getting tired of constantly repairing it. Seems that Nissan included a design life of only 100,000 miles (161,000 km) for every single component on it. One by one, I ended up replacing the clutch, alternator, water pump, starter, overhauling all hydraulic cylinders, etc.

The Mazda was nice as for several years, I didn't need to replace anything. I considered it as a gift from God. (Phil. 4:19) Very Happy
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Post  GallopingGhostler Tue Mar 15, 2022 12:14 pm

By the way, Bob, thanks for the compliment on my 1970 Mazda 1800 post and a little history on your Mazda experiences including the RX-7's. I would have loved to have the Mazda rotary engine cars, but their poorer gas mileage (not much difference between a small pickup truck V-6 versus 4 cylinder) and at the time, costlier Mazda factory parts were a must as very few aftermarket parts were produced steered me away from Mazda.
Popcorn lol!
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Post  rsv1cox Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:21 pm

I have been hijacked, shanghaied, putih under. Smile Smile
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Post  GallopingGhostler Wed Mar 16, 2022 6:30 am

rsv1cox wrote:I have been hijacked, shanghaied, puteth under.  Smile Smile

I wouldn't be so glum, Bob. lol!

Back in 1974, while buying a few parts for my 1970 Mazda 1800, I spoke with a Mazda mechanic at the dealer in Honolulu. What I found out, is that he was overhauling many late model Mazda passenger cars with rotary engines (i.e., RX-2, RX-3, etc.). It seems that people did not know how to care for the coolant water system. The radiator would run dry, overheating the engine, damaging the rotor's apex seals. This required an expensive tear down and replacement.

The Chevy Vega suffered similar fate with its then revolutionary chrome plated, sleeveless aluminum block 4 cylinder engine (similar to the K&B Sportster series engines). It was revolutionary for the time, but did not tolerate overheating well. This is why their next in series, Chevette went back to the cast iron block engines.

AFAIK, the Europeans overall take better care of their engines. For Americans overall, the designs needed to be bullet-proof, AKA Russian-like.
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Post  balogh Wed Mar 16, 2022 5:54 pm

GallopingGhostler wrote:
rsv1cox wrote:I have been hijacked, shanghaied, puteth under.  Smile Smile
AFAIK, the Europeans overall take better care of their engines. For Americans overall, the designs needed to be bullet-proof, AKA Russian-like.

In my hands on experience earned  behind the Iron Curtain,  Russian cars were never bulletproof...the body of Russian cars got rotten by rust after a few winters with salted roads...the engines seldom made it beyond 100k km-s without major repair..Russian goods being sturdy, robust and indestructable are just some of the false myths..they are worth a bucket of shoot, believe me...vodka, caviar then AK 47, this is generally all their consumer goods worth mentioning..Tupolev airplanes that I worked on as a young engineer, and T54 and T72 tanks I manned in the army are each a piece of industrial catastrophy..I could continue mentioning all Russian goods that we were compelled to live with in the "planned economy" of COMECON countries back in the 60's throught the late 80's when the Curtain fell down..and I just do not see it change since then..they still do not have a decent automobile made by themselves...the Germans gave them a BMW motorcycle production line in compensation of the WWII damages, and the IZH motorcycle they then made on it was just another scrap...as long as the motivation for people to produce quality is missing, and the Russian economy and morale has not really developed since the collapse of the Soviet Union 30 years ago, one cannot expect quality goods as a result. Sorry for hijacking the original topic..
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Post  roddie Wed Mar 16, 2022 7:47 pm

balogh wrote:
GallopingGhostler wrote:
rsv1cox wrote:I have been hijacked, shanghaied, puteth under.  Smile Smile
AFAIK, the Europeans overall take better care of their engines. For Americans overall, the designs needed to be bullet-proof, AKA Russian-like.

In my hands on experience earned  behind the Iron Curtain,  Russian cars were never bulletproof...the body of Russian cars got rotten by rust after a few winters with salted roads...the engines seldom made it beyond 100k km-s without major repair..Russian goods being sturdy, robust and indestructable are just some of the false myths..they are worth a bucket of shoot, believe me...vodka, caviar then AK 47, this is generally all their consumer goods worth mentioning..Tupolev airplanes that I worked on as a young engineer, and T54 and T72 tanks I manned in the army are each a piece of industrial catastrophy..I could continue mentioning all Russian goods that we were compelled to live with in the "planned economy" of COMECON countries back in the 60's throught the late 80's when the Curtain fell down..

For some reason; the above quote is incomplete.. but it was just more "bashing by Andy" I am amused!  Laughing  

This fascinates me Andrus! Russia built a huge experimental Marine-based ground-effect vehicle code-name "Ekranoplan". It was a floating platform having a distinct "hull".. but also an aircraft type of tail-plane. There were stub-wings protruding from where conventional aircraft wings would, from a conventional fuselage. An array of powerful jet-turbines combined with vectored-thrust is how it operated from static. When throttling-up to cruise-speed, it would rise-up on a cushion of air (ground-effect) and be completely free of hydro-dynamic drag.

The YouTube video link(s) below are of the Russian Ekranoplan story.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x22nVFTd8nI



I see a future for this technology.. now that it's 50+ years later. If you (all who read this..) watch the vid... and think like a modeller.. you'll know what I mean. Smile


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Post  balogh Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:47 am

Roddie, I am not underestimating  the Russian scientists and engineers who are really some of  the best theoretical thinkers. (some say lack of funds for experiments in Russia forced problem solving on theoretical level and this proliferated the really good mathematicians and  scientists there) ..it is the physical implementation of their ideas by their industry that I find poor..
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Post  Levent Suberk Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:14 am

Science and trade are different things, you know. My teacher in university years once said: "A good engineer must be a good trader"
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Post  GallopingGhostler Fri Mar 18, 2022 1:12 pm

balogh wrote:
GallopingGhostler wrote:For Americans overall, the designs needed to be bullet-proof, AKA Russian-like.

In my hands on experience earned  behind the Iron Curtain,  Russian cars were never bulletproof...the body of Russian cars got rotten by rust after a few winters with salted roads...the engines seldom made it beyond 100k km-s without major repair..Russian goods being sturdy, robust and indestructable are just some of the false myths..they are worth a bucket of shoot, believe me...vodka, caviar then AK 47, this is generally all their consumer goods worth mentioning..Tupolev airplanes that I worked on as a young engineer, and T54 and T72 tanks I manned in the army are each a piece of industrial catastrophy..I could continue mentioning all Russian goods that we were compelled to live with in the "planned economy" of COMECON countries back in the 60's throught the late 80's when the Curtain fell down..and I just do not see it change since then..they still do not have a decent automobile made by themselves...the Germans gave them a BMW motorcycle production line in compensation of the WWII damages, and the IZH motorcycle they then made on it was just another scrap...as long as the motivation for people to produce quality is missing, and the Russian economy and morale has not really developed since the collapse of the Soviet Union 30 years ago, one cannot expect quality goods as a result. Sorry for hijacking the original topic..

Balogh, thanks for replying. I highly respect your opinion, because you speak from personal experience having lived through the Iron Curtain days of previous gov policy and its impact of mediocrity on society, both from a soldier's standpoint and from an engineer's standpoint.

We have been conditioned to believe the video and media propaganda versus our real world experiences.
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Post  fredvon4 Sat Mar 19, 2022 6:07 am

Reagan had jokes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN3z3eSVG7A&t=4s


First joke is relative to Andras observation, and quite funny in a morbid way
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Post  GallopingGhostler Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:42 pm

roddie wrote:This fascinates me Andrus! Russia built a huge experimental Marine-based ground-effect vehicle code-name "Ekranoplan". It was a floating platform having a distinct "hull".. but also an aircraft type of tail-plane. There were stub-wings protruding from where conventional aircraft wings would, from a conventional fuselage. An array of powerful jet-turbines combined with vectored-thrust is how it operated from static. When throttling-up to cruise-speed, it would rise-up on a cushion of air (ground-effect) and be completely free of hydro-dynamic drag.

The YouTube video link(s) below are of the Russian Ekranoplan story.



I see a future for this technology.. now that it's 50+ years later. If you (all who read this..) watch the vid... and think like a modeller.. you'll know what I mean. Smile

It is a fascinating concept, and for moving very heavy equipment like armored vehicles or large number of troops would probably be the ticket. However, I imagine that it would have to use very large fuel tanks limiting range. Turbine jets aren't that efficient. Also, it lacks stealthiness being an extremely noisy contraption. At sea level, the higher density air versus 30,000+ feet limits speed and increases fuel consumption. Also, it could be easily taken out with a short range single missile or intelligent high explosive round, one shot - one kill would decimate a high quantity of troops / equipment by a surface ship or submarine.

It was probably for these reasons that the concept never progressed beyond prototyping stage. However, the hull would make for an interesting restaurant. Laughing
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Post  rsv1cox Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:56 pm

Also, it could be easily taken out with a short range single missile or intelligent high explosive round, one shot - one kill would decimate a high quantity of troops / equipment by a surface ship or submarine.

Say the same for our carrier fleet. One nuclear torpedo launched from a Russian sub scratches one super carrier and their escorts. They had those torpedo's during the Cuban crisis generations ago.
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Post  GallopingGhostler Sat Mar 19, 2022 5:55 pm

Probably why not many military departments have aircraft carriers, and why RU invested in subs instead. Popcorn
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Post  GallopingGhostler Thu Mar 24, 2022 9:55 am

I feel like I am back on the job again in a hospital. lol!

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Post  GallopingGhostler Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:20 pm

I got a kick out of watching the video in this old CEF thread! Laughing

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Post  GallopingGhostler Fri Jul 15, 2022 11:29 am

fredvon4 wrote:Reagan had jokes



First joke is relative to Andras observation, and quite funny in a morbid way.
Yes, I enjoyed watching that video, thanks for posting it, @fredvon4. Reagan had a sense of humor and was perhaps the last of our great US presidents, someone to look up to.
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Post  crankbndr Fri Jul 15, 2022 1:39 pm

Miss both of these guys

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Post  GallopingGhostler Fri Jul 15, 2022 4:28 pm

And especially Johnny, not to mention also, Jack Webb.

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Post  rsv1cox Fri Jul 15, 2022 5:19 pm

Thanks CB and GG I haven't laughed so hard since the early 1990's.

True unbiggeted humor. Today late night TV is all about sex, politics, and racism. I pity the kids growing up today thinking negativism is normal. There are no David Letterman's, Jack Parr's, Jay Leno's, or Johnny Carson's anymore.
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Post  crankbndr Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:08 pm

Two of the best from a bygone era

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