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Post  rsv1cox Thu Dec 08, 2016 7:49 am

Dirt done!!!!!!!

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Slow progress. Wood working theme only. No greasy engines or transmissions.

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Post  crankbndr Thu Dec 08, 2016 8:09 am

Another Neatnik, bravo! You make me look like a slob!!
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Post  getback Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:41 am

Dito Crank , i feel the same way man Bob at 78 is got more get E up than i do at 59 lol! Good looking building inside and out Shocked This Site Rocks! Very Happy Clapping Clapping Clapping Clapping Clapping
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Post  fredvon4 Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:51 am

Bob I see all the hard work... amazed and happy for you

Advice...
Never ever run a glow engine inside that new shop....and if run just outside...close the doors.... exhaust residue can ruin an otherwise great model during finishing phase
Never allow smoking it it
If you have any Spray type products with silicone... confine the use to outside or in the other shop
You do real fine and easy wood working with good attention to detail... so build a good downdraft sanding table into the area (one of my many winter projects)
I see you have ALL the tools.... Copy the Propeller you hung inside the house for over the door.... Laminates of many wood varieties will make it good looking , and interesting. I know you would use Marine Spar Varnish to ensure it weathers well in WVA

BTW I got a sneak peak at a giant box my son had deliverd to my wife instead of his house.... I assume a Xmas gift to me (penance for all his abuse of MY tools over the years) a New higher end Ryobie 12" compound miter saw.... last time he "borrowed" my pretty old 10" miter saw he carped about it not holding a true 90....

This note because you and I have very similar Miter saw recesses in the bench...I now have to re-engineer mine to accommodate the different bigger saw dimensions...again assuming it is my Xmas gift...grin

BTW #2
I assume you will wait for spring and grass seeding... or is that area good for a quick spread of winter Rye?
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Post  rsv1cox Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:52 am

Neatnic maybe, but my mind is disorganized. Smile

79 Eric, in 10 months I gain the big eight oh. My mother had another 25 active years to go at that age.
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Post  rsv1cox Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:05 am

All good advice Fred.

I am thinking about getting a 2X6X8 in soft white pine and using my belt sander to trim it down to something prop like, and using a 3" hole saw to cut the hub.  I don't have a great eye for that kind of work but would use the existing prop as a guide.  A probable do this spring sanding outside.  

I was just eyeing a replacement for my DeWalt 12" miter, Lowes has one on sale.  But this one will have to do.  Still cuts a compound miter just fine.  Yes, the level with the bench set-up works great.  I can cut a 10 footer there with no problem.

Good luck with your gift from your son.  

I thought winter rye, but decided against it.  I'll just let it settle and rake it out in the spring and plant K31.

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Post  fredvon4 Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:35 am

Bob I sorely wish K31 Tall fescue would survive down here... I use a lot of that penncoat seed over the years in other states..grows fast, fills in good, and looks great with even the cheapest fertilizer

I overseed most of the property every year (winter time) with annual Winter Rye...simply to keep muddy bare spots to a minimum for 4 dog family in and out all day long

Considering the 15 years I have been doing, this I should have spent the bigger bucks for the perennial version a few years back...oh well

If I ever get to it, my plan for the 3 to 4 foot propeller is 6 each 1"x 4" x 48" red cedar planks laminated and then bandsaw the basic shape and plane/belt sand to close shape...hub 3 " hole saw... I have a lot of excess 3/4" red Oak ply ( thin veneer facing each side) But thinking built up will be a real bear to final sand to shape
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Post  KariFS Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:59 am

Looking good Bob! Very neat shop, lots of cabinets space too.

I remember seeing pictures of propeller manufacturing process just recently, but couldn't find them any more. But in this link there is a small picture about how Yamaha did it:

http://global.yamaha-motor.com/about/technology/yamamomo/001/

There's probably more detailed descriptions available, but the way it went in the pictures I saw, there were several layers of wood pre-formed to the shape, with the mounting hole already drilled. The hole was used to position and center all the layers. The layers were then glued together, and the result was pretty close to the correct shape requiring only some planing and a lot of sanding.

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Post  OVERLORD Thu Dec 08, 2016 12:55 pm

That looks like a great place for hobying or modelling. At least the clean part of it!! Will you install any other tools as a small lathe or so?

Some drawings about classic prop manufacturing

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Post  fredvon4 Thu Dec 08, 2016 12:55 pm

Anyone desiring a good looking
BUT -not- usable propeller---- just for display...


Please go back and take a look at the prop Bob got...

Very basic, and on close examination--- pretty crude...BUT...still a great looking display item

4 to 6 inch tall by 3 to 6 inch thick of single board or laminated build up.
Note: anywhere from 36 to 60 inches is proportionally correct----visually

Soft angle blade cut on table saw or bandsaw for the hub to tip pitch slices.... the actual pitch of each blade is irrelevant...

Come on guys--- it is for DISPLAY

Final prop shape is jig saw, Table saw, Band saw, or belt sander ---easy....

not the pitch...but the shape of each blade...square tips, curves...round tips... your choice

Center hole DOES need large hole saw ...say 3 to 5 incher

Perimeter, attaching bolt holes, can be omitted without detracting from the IDEA

Hell---- this DISPLAY project can be made out of any solid or laminated wood and ALL would look super good

Nostalgia
Long lost... Dang my frugal mother

MY Dad brought home a ARCAT propeller Cira 1958... in the house for (well forever) but now missing

MY memory... about 36 inches...perhaps about a 8 inch pitch...laminated wood... very good clear coat...4 inches of tips RED paint

I an easily research these props on line and I do intend some day to replicate one

I am much too cheap ass to pay the $150 to $600 for the e-bay originals


If I was real anal I might propose a

" Coolest shop Icon" challenge....

and for sure I would lose..

too many CEFers have way better imagination that I do.....

Punt over to Roddie/////----grin


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Post  Mark Boesen Thu Dec 08, 2016 12:57 pm

lol...
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Post  ian1954 Thu Dec 08, 2016 1:15 pm

The shed is coming along really nicely. I haven't touched my workshop for six weeks now (but it is 200 miles away!).

The tidiness amazes me, I am like a walking dust and dirt magnet!
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Post  rsv1cox Thu Dec 08, 2016 1:24 pm

Mark Boesen wrote:lol...
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Photoshop....I love it Mark. I'm going to have to hang a prop there for sure now.

Many thanks - Bob
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Post  Mark Boesen Thu Dec 08, 2016 1:29 pm

you mean the one you build...


p.s.

lol, i'm living vicariously through you and having a blast!
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Post  Mark Boesen Thu Dec 08, 2016 1:31 pm

...building a display prop has been on my 'to do' list for probably 20 years, along with restoring the old wooden sail boat i have parked out back in the yard!
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Post  fredvon4 Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:49 pm

Mark... I guess I got you beat ...not by much... It took me 2 decades to finally restore the El Toro Small sail boat I built from Popular Mechanic plans (I think)

BUT the [Must do] Propeller has never made it to the drawing stage ...yet

BUT Bob's shop may git me motivated enough THIS winter...unless the weather turns good again... grin

28F ....brrr .........here at 15:48 on 8 Dec.....
Hey Canada...stop already!!!
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Post  Mark Boesen Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:59 pm

couple years ago, jr. hauled it out and we started working on it...until disc golf got in the way again...gotta have priorities!

one of these springs we'll get'er going, until then i just keep buying new tarps for it
(National One design) http://nodra.com/

it's a balmy 22f and windy...and dark!


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Post  NEW222 Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:59 pm

Well, here is a screenshot of what I have to put up with in the next few days... Plus the foot of snow we just got the past couple days.
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Post  Oldenginerod Thu Dec 08, 2016 6:27 pm

What are you complaining about.
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Post  rsv1cox Fri Dec 09, 2016 5:29 pm

OVERLORD wrote:That looks like a great place for hobbying or modelling. At least the clean part of it!! Will you install any other tools as a small lathe or so?


I was looking at wood lathes at Harbor Freight this morning, but opted for now for this wood work bench. It has a wood vice and pegs for holding work steady. Moved the bureau to the back wall. Gives me a U shaped work space.

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Now I gotta put it together. 6 pages of instructions.
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Post  rsv1cox Fri Dec 09, 2016 5:32 pm

rsv1cox wrote:
OVERLORD wrote:That looks like a great place for hobbying or modelling. At least the clean part of it!! Will you install any other tools as a small lathe or so?


I was looking at wood lathes at Harbor Freight this morning, but opted for now for this wood work bench.  It has a wood vice and pegs for holding work steady.  Moved the bureau to the back wall.  Gives me a U shaped work space.

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Now I gotta put it together. 6 pages of instructions.  

I enjoyed the propeller tutorial, saved it. Thanks.

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Post  Cribbs74 Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:22 pm

Neatnick! Lol

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Post  rsv1cox Sat Dec 10, 2016 6:33 am

Neatnick? I can beat that. My garage after my Enya .36 tear-down.

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I do love that little tiny V Dub Boxer engine though> Smile).............. Something Ford Blue in the back?

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Post  fit90 Sat Dec 10, 2016 7:37 am

Cribbs74 wrote:Neatnick! Lol

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When I first saw your grey, horizontally opposed engine I thought you had a Lycoming. That would make for a really neat model plane.
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Post  KariFS Sat Dec 10, 2016 8:21 am

Speaking about sheds, home made propellers, Vee-Dub engines and airplanes, here's what just may happen when you add passion and stubborness to the mix:

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A fellow in Northern Finland had a passion to fly but lack of funds. What is a man to do? Build his own plane of course, in his shed, where else? He had no permissions, the plane was not inspected nor approved, but he flew it numerous times until once he flew too high and too close to an airfield and the radar picked him up. Cops came looking for him and the next time he was flying, they came to meet him after he landed. Confiscated the home made birchwood propeller to prevent further flights. It took him maybe 3 weeks to make another propeller and fly again. This time the entire plane was confiscated DAMMIT! Nowadays the plane is in a museum.

Of course the guy built another, better plane, but it got confiscated too after a while. Rumour has it he has built a third one, even more developed version, and he hid it better lol!

But there you have a shed-built wooden plane, covered with fertilizer sack material, with a Volkswagen engine and a home-made propeller Flying
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