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Post  rsv1cox Tue Feb 27, 2024 12:45 pm

Never heard of it.  Cosmic Wind - yes, but this Silver Wind is a new one on me.  BIN or offer.  Made a really low offer which was accepted. Ridiculous as a flyer, treasure to a collector.

Testors Silver Wind........... T_sw_b10
Testors Silver Wind........... T_silv10
Testors Silver Wind........... Testor50

Years ago I bought a wing-less Cosmic Wind in similar condition.  Built a wing for it.

Testors Silver Wind........... P1017208
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Post  roddie Wed Feb 28, 2024 10:28 am

Hi Robert, The below photos are from my Testors image archives.

Testors Silver Wind........... Cosmic15

Testors Silver Wind........... Cosmic16

Testors Silver Wind........... Silver11


"Zip-Starter" variants..


Testors Silver Wind........... Zip-st12

Testors Silver Wind........... Zip-st13

Testors Silver Wind........... Zip-st14


The "white" variant, like the one you made the wing for..


Testors Silver Wind........... Captu110
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Post  rsv1cox Wed Feb 28, 2024 10:51 am

Thanks roddie. I did a little research this morning. Found another one for your files. Worthpoint - Starchaser.

Testors Silver Wind........... Testor51

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/vintage-1976-testors-gas-powered-1921275932

The engine on the one I have coming looks a little crusty. I love that stuff. Smile

I would like to find the black/red star (Ruski?) Cosmic Wind model.

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Post  roddie Thu Feb 29, 2024 11:06 am

Thanks Robert! You probably know that some of the Testors Cosmic Wind variants were made in two sizes; the smaller of the two having a 16" wingspan and the larger one having a 22.5" wingspan.

If your watching an auction (eBay etc.) where the wingspan is not specified.. you can tell which version it is, by looking at the model's tail-feathers. The smaller variant's stabilizer and fin are molded into the fuselage.. where the larger variant has separate pieces.

Testors Silver Wind........... Cosmic17

If you can't tell this by the auction's photos; then look at the stabilizer's "shape". The larger variant has much more length (chord) to it.. than the small version.

Very apparent in the below photo of a "large" version.

Testors Silver Wind........... Testor17

Cox would later produce the smaller variant from Testor's molds.. but it would have been nice if they produced the larger one.. and put the more powerful "P40" engine in it. Cool

Below; my Cox Cosmic Wind..

Testors Silver Wind........... Cosmic18

Testors Silver Wind........... Black_16
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Post  rsv1cox Sat Mar 02, 2024 5:04 pm

Thanks roddie, I always thought my Cosmic Winds added wing was outsized, now I know why.  When I looked up the W/S I must have selected the larger size and used that.  Sad

When I do the new Silver Wind wing I will correct it.  Got it today.  As expected.  Dirty with a badly corroded question mark engine.

 The bottom wing flap forms the wing making replacements easy.  1/16" thick balsa will do the job.  I have seen replacement canopys for these.  The Classic Toy Factory perhaps.  Decals are on foil stock rather than paper, making cleaning easier.  Curious, bottom flap has square access holes where the Cosmic Wind has keyholes.  Almost like places to hang it.  

Testors Silver Wind........... P1017220
Testors Silver Wind........... P1017221
Testors Silver Wind........... P1017219
Testors Silver Wind........... P1017223
Testors Silver Wind........... P1017225
Testors Silver Wind........... P1017226


Nice touch.  Ports for full or 1/2 full, shorter flights.

Testors Silver Wind........... P1017224
Testors Silver Wind........... P1017222
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Post  roddie Sun Mar 03, 2024 1:41 am

Proof of what I'd heard; that the "aluminized" finish on these models doesn't hold-up to the exposure of being used as intended. Revell (models co.) supposedly sells a "chrome finish" in the form of an aerosol.. that's excellent for static display.

The black graphics; just forward of the cockpit are another clue that you have the smaller (16" wingspan) "Fly'em" variant.

When you asked about the square openings in the bottom of the fuse.. I automatically thought about the zip-starter system. I had a Kenner "SSP" toy that used a "toothed" zip-cord to spin a weighted gyro-scopic CENTRAL wheel... with a tire for traction.

Testors Silver Wind........... Kenner10

Kenner made a SSP "Smash-up-Derby" set too.

Testors Silver Wind........... Kenner11

Too dangerous for today's children....
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Post  Yabby Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:54 am

wow Roddie. that green car with the gyro wheel brings back memories Very Happy my brother and I had cars like that with the gyro wheel and used to race them on the concrete path in the backyard. goodness, the nemories. cheers we had great times with those xars. sunny
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Post  Ken Cook Sun Mar 03, 2024 5:15 am

I ran my SSP through the kitchen and it hit my mother in the ankle. It hit very hard causing her to fall over and it did fracture her ankle. She required surgery to fix and never walked correctly again. The stupid things we do as kids. I loved the SSP's. I also had the demo derby versions, I loved the Nomads and I still have a blue door somewhere. I also had one which was purple, I put it in my sister's hair which got so tangled up it had to be cut out. That's when I realized my sister was a amazon. She practically knocked my block off.
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Post  Yabby Sun Mar 03, 2024 5:26 am

great memories and great stories from very different simpler times Thumbs Up but maybe not simpler for Kens mum and sister lol! A man after my own heart. well it seemed a good idea at the time lol!
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Post  rsv1cox Sun Mar 03, 2024 7:31 am

Ken Cook wrote:I ran my SSP through the kitchen and it hit my mother in the ankle. It hit very hard causing her to fall over and it did fracture her ankle. She required surgery to fix and never walked correctly again. The stupid things we do as kids. I loved the SSP's. I also had the demo derby versions, I loved the Nomads and I still have a blue door somewhere. I also had one which was purple, I put it in my sister's hair which got so tangled up it had to be cut out. That's when I realized my sister was a amazon. She practically knocked my block off.

Smile Smile...........My five year older brother WAS an Amazon.  He had two nicknames growing up "Quack" and "Ape-man".  I could tell tales.  

I feel for your Mom.  I broke my ankle about 45 years ago falling off a ladder, snapped it in half when it caught between two rungs on the way down.  Crutches for weeks.  Hurt it again a couple of days ago when this branch fell on it while I was chainsawing one of the smaller branches off.  No blood, and I could still walk on it so i kept on.  Later it swelled up and got black/blue.  Still is.

Testors Silver Wind........... P1017227

I started disassembling the Silver Wind (got to get to that engine).  A hot pencil iron to the phillips head screws helped.  I always think of Rene (Marleysky) when I do this as he first mentioned it as a way to remove castor locked screws.  It's a wonder, but the fuel tanks nipple is still in place.  But it could break off if I try to remove the tubing.  I have two options, slightly heat the tubing with a heat gun, and slightly heat the tubing with a heat gun.  There is no third option.  

Some critter got in there and built a nest.  

Testors Silver Wind........... P1017228

Oh yes, Forgot.  roddie got me going when he posted all those picture (above) I went looking for a replacement canopy aand found these.  Offers accepted.

Testors Silver Wind........... Bedp7e10
Testors Silver Wind........... Ebay_b21
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Post  rsv1cox Sun Mar 03, 2024 6:10 pm

Heating the tubing to separate it from the fuel tank would not work, a good thing meaning the nipple isn't broken, so I just pried it off the engines side.

Testors Silver Wind........... P1017230
Testors Silver Wind........... P1017229

Not a pretty sight.

Testors Silver Wind........... P1017231

Painted on Berryman's and let it sit for 15 minutes, rinsed it off and gave it a warm water bath.  All the silver coating is/was gone.  It is now the Ivory Wing.

Testors Silver Wind........... P1017232

Notice the bubbles, fuel tank taking on water rinsing out the Berrymans which cleaned the tanks interior.  

Testors Silver Wind........... P1017234
Testors Silver Wind........... P1017233

Berryman's is great stuff for cleaning any type of oil/grease, works especially well on castor.  Gentle, it's solvent is water.

"Big" Cosmic Wind.

Testors Silver Wind........... S-l16034

Testors Silver Wind........... Ad209s10
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Post  rsv1cox Mon Mar 04, 2024 8:35 am

Done except for the wing.  Two intake ports on the cylinder.  Dug all the epoxy out of the fins, cleaned a bit with 400 grit wet/dry and reblued with Brownells.  Burnished with oil and a rough cloth in and outside the cylinder.  Still not pretty but better.  Low time engine, excellent compression.  Rotomatic starter a blessing.

Testors Silver Wind........... P1017237
Testors Silver Wind........... P1017235
Testors Silver Wind........... Epoxy_10
Testors Silver Wind........... P1017236
Testors Silver Wind........... P1017239

There is a wing in there somewhere.  Debating whether to finish in gloss white or silver.

Testors Silver Wind........... P1017238

Edit add:

Enterprise canopy, almost a good fit.  They used to be for sale everywhere, now I can't find them.  

Testors Silver Wind........... P1017240

I had to modify a Cox wrench to fit the Testors PB.  Filed a little off the inside of the forks and some off the top to fit the Testor's exhaust ports.  PO had epoxied the glow head on.  Near impossible to remove.  I had to heat and wrench it off.  Sticky stuff, acted like concrete then with heat jelly.  

Testors Silver Wind........... P1017241

Still, a whole lot of detailing to do.
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Post  rsv1cox Fri Mar 08, 2024 9:44 am

I used the newly aquired Black/Red star's wing as a template for the new wing.  I was going to leave it flat, but thought dihedral like the original.  Four hobby sticks on each side equal distant ought to do it.  Cut it in half and glued with carpenters wood glue.  Will back it up when the original glue dries.  I'm not sure about the durabilty, but we shall see.  

Testors Silver Wind........... P1017264
Testors Silver Wind........... P1017267
Testors Silver Wind........... P1017266
Testors Silver Wind........... P1017265

Strange things may happen when it is pressed into airfoil shape when the lower fuselage flap is engaged.  Compound curves might not be kind to one another.
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Post  rsv1cox Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:32 am

Next day, overnight cure of wood glue.  3/4" strip of balsa backup.

Testors Silver Wind........... P1017268
Testors Silver Wind........... P1017269

I didn't hear any crunching or cracking when I closed the belly flap, so I think we're home free.

Testors Silver Wind........... P1017270
Testors Silver Wind........... P1017271
Testors Silver Wind........... P1017272

I did not see this trim tab on the standard Cosmic Wind.  Maybe just used on the Racer which makes constant left-hand turns around the pylons.  I included it but may remove it while sanding.  

Testors Silver Wind........... P1017273
Testors Silver Wind........... P1017274

Internet photo shows the tabs on both sides.

Testors Silver Wind........... Levier10

Detail sand then three coats of sanding sealer.  Then------------Silver paint and decals...
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Post  getback Sat Mar 09, 2024 7:51 am

Cleaned up good Bob , and the wing is a good fit .
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Post  944_Jim Sat Mar 09, 2024 8:56 am

Great job, Bob!

I wonder if this is just a bit too late...but...
With the space and tools you have, you may want to try cutting the wing blank top view plan-form from hard wood. Then plane and sand an airfoil shape into the top. Cut and fix/glue your dihedral as required by the model. Then steam and otherwise moisten your next balsa plank and temporarily affix it to the hard wood form.

Someone prominent here did the same for several of the wood-skinned 1/2A balsa kits (example: P-40, Bearcat and.Corsair Top Flite formed fuselages), a balsa-clone Cox Spitfire (or similar), and another I can't remember right now. Keith Morgan? Kim?

SSP's...loved mine. I especially liked the performance of the one that looked similar to a snowmobile. The smash-up derby cars were an absolute hoot to me!

Zip-start Testors...I never liked 'em, and finger-flipped every one I came across. That is, hand-propped...not the "International Symbol" of negative fame.

Wow...memory lane is overwhelming me right now.

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Post  rsv1cox Sat Mar 09, 2024 9:32 am

Thanks Eric, and happy to help you down Memory Lane Jim.  Smile

 I had thought about making a three-piece wing.  Cut either a triangle from the leading edge to a center point mid-way of the trailing edge or just square/rectangle the center section.  Gave up on that as it was too complicated, and I was not sure what I would have gained.  We will see if the split wing survives my ham-handed sanding and sealing.

I tried using the zip starter in the black CW, works but a bit of a bother.  I much prefer the spring loaded "Roto-matic" starter.  

I'm not sure why, but I really enjoy taking a wrecked airplane or engine and making something out of it.  Building from a kit anymore claims little interest from me.

Being the nut that I am, I have these coming.  Cheap and I need the spinner.

Testors Silver Wind........... S-l16036
Testors Silver Wind........... S-l16035
Testors Silver Wind........... S-l16037

Good fit for the orange big boy? Maybe.

Testors Silver Wind........... P1017275

Props too but I think those are paddles.

BTW, I like the over-sized wing on the red,white,blue CW.  Keeping it. But I may make a standard size wing also.

Dihedral makes no difference on a C/L plane, or does it.........................
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Post  rsv1cox Wed Apr 03, 2024 9:36 am

Another Silver Wind, complete. Cheap like I need another. Not much to do on this one but for pennies.........

Testors Silver Wind........... New_si10
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Post  Greenman38633 Thu Apr 04, 2024 7:53 am

Just like my little black cosmic wind. I was surprised at how small it is
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Post  rsv1cox Mon Apr 08, 2024 3:34 pm

The second "Silver Wind" showed up today. I didn't really want it and didn't expect to win it but made a low-ball bid anyway and was surprised when I got it.

It looks better than it is. A repaint that at one time may have looked like my original. And that tail fin, cut out of a piece of plastic glued on and painted. It came with a McCoy propeller, first I have seen. Fishing line wrapped around it and modified to a shorter length. Dacron on the bellcrank so I think the PO probably hung it from the ceiling.

Not love at first sight!

Testors Silver Wind........... P1017410
Testors Silver Wind........... P1017409
Testors Silver Wind........... P1017411

Oh well, live and learn. I sent a PM to Levent to see if he would make me a rendering of the Silver Wind decal.
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Post  rdw777 Mon Apr 08, 2024 3:55 pm

I like it Bob and will enjoy seeing it being restored…. Running the engines in those has to be a lot of fun too…. I ordered some pieces for a start of a project sorta kin to those you do…. You and Joe been having too much fun… I’d like to try too…. Jim Walker Firebaby…. May be a long road…. Seller’s photo….

Testors Silver Wind........... 58d09e10
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Post  rsv1cox Mon Apr 08, 2024 6:21 pm

rdw777 wrote:I like it Bob and will enjoy seeing it being restored…. Running the engines in those has to be a lot of fun too…. I ordered some pieces for a start of a project sorta kin to those you do…. You and Joe been having too much fun… I’d like to try too…. Jim Walker Firebaby…. May be a long road…. Seller’s photo….

Testors Silver Wind........... 58d09e10

A rare bird Robert and a worthy project.  I have one I made up from a badly bent fuselage and some balsa based on measurements from the real thing.

I have two NIB that I keep well protected.  If you need measurments Let me know.

Testors Silver Wind........... P1017412
Testors Silver Wind........... P1017414
Testors Silver Wind........... P1017415
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Post  rdw777 Mon Apr 08, 2024 6:45 pm

Thanks Bob, Yes have been thru your Firebaby threads more than a few times and really enjoyed them… Very Happy …. I have your measurements and drawings saved as well….. Between those and lots of old photos and ads I made some sketches too….I’m going to try for the wood fuse version with the metal brackets and clear canopy…. Will wait for a while to see if anything comes up for sale….. If not will try and scratch the remaining parts out….. Will assess it when it comes in and see what is left to complete…. I’ve got a few old engines from that period too….
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Post  rsv1cox Mon Apr 08, 2024 7:34 pm

rdw777 wrote:Thanks Bob, Yes have been thru your Firebaby threads more than a few times and really enjoyed them… Very Happy …. I have your measurements and drawings saved as well….. Between those and lots of old photos and ads I made some sketches too….I’m going to try for the wood fuse version with the metal brackets and clear canopy…. Will wait for a while to see if anything comes up for sale….. If not will try and scratch the remaining parts out….. Will assess it when it comes in and see what is left to complete…. I’ve got a few old engines from that period too….

Ah Robert, you pushed me over the edge. I have been looking at the powered version for years. Made an offer which was accepted moments ago. For some reason I have always had a soft spot for the JW Firebaby. Now I can give you accurate drawings for either or both.

Testors Silver Wind........... Fb_box10
Testors Silver Wind........... Pwr_fb10
Testors Silver Wind........... Pwr_fi10


Just passing on the good will of Levent. He PM'd me with his intentions of sending me Silver Wind Decals printed on foil like the original. Good people populate this forum.

Thanks for the nudge. - Bob
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