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Post  rsv1cox on Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:47 am

No contest winner here, back yard fun flyer only but I can't wait to hang it on the wires.



Still much to do. I don't care much for the spoked wheels but they were the only three inchers that I could find. I will probably build the machine guns that came with the kit and attach them, I didn't do that with my first kit.

Paint scheme, yet to be determined.
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Post  Kim on Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:56 am

rsv1cox wrote: I don't care much for the spoked wheels but they were the only three inchers that I could find.  I will probably build the machine guns that came with the kit and attach them, I didn't do that with my first kit.

Paint scheme, yet to be determined.

Looks Great!!! Could you make some balsa sheet covers for the wheels to simulate fabric-covered spokes?

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Post  roddie on Thu Dec 04, 2014 12:28 pm

Bob, that looks great! Like Kim mentioned; you can cover those spoked-wheels. A real easy way to do it would be to measure your wheel-rim and cut 4 discs to that diameter from lightweight card-stock. Center-punch with the axle hole size and put aside until you're ready to paint the model. At that time, you can decide what color to paint them. I did this with 2 different models.. and it worked really good.

These are made from index card-stock. Not beautiful.. but not bad. The wheels cost 25 cents ea. at a craft store. (many years ago..)


these were painted..


and these were covered with Monokote..
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Post  rsv1cox on Thu Dec 04, 2014 2:35 pm

Good idea roddie and Kim.  The plans show a neat way to construct proper wheels but I'm a little lazy....no let's say conservative with my time so I opted for ready mades.  But, yes, the hard work is all done, I have the wheels I just need the covers.



I wonder if the bottom of an aluminum soda can would work if massaged a bit?

Edit add//That's a strange looking engine on that red plane roddie....
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Post  Ken Cook on Thu Dec 04, 2014 3:04 pm

Williams Bros. Wheels are what you would be looking for on this model. They come in a variety of different styles due to period of vintage plane. Not cheap, but a very good product. Ken
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Post  GallopingGhostler on Thu Dec 04, 2014 11:05 pm

A lot of good ideas and options for vintage looking wheels from all. I used to remember when Williams Bros wheels were reasonably priced, times have changed. I remember Walt Musiciano using some non-scale wheels on some of his WW1 CL creations. Actually, although not totally scale, those lightweight modern skinny tires look closer to vintage than balloon tires ever would.

In a similar boat, I've got an Airtronics Gere Sport 36" wingspan RC biplane kit that will need tires. I'll probably opt for the same readily available lightweight tires.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I'd be almost afraid to fly it with the more expensive tires due to cost, but that's me. Those sport spoked tires will work for backyard sport flying. Besides, upon the first hard landing they can be easily replaced. May be some painting of the spoke and rims to match the plane would make them look less obvious.

That Sterling kit build looks really good so far. The Lafayette Escadrille with American volunteers is ready to take on the Hun with this latest and best Nieuport. Flying
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Post  Kim on Fri Dec 05, 2014 4:34 am

GallopingGhostler wrote:

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

'Tis True !!!

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Post  JPvelo on Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:12 am

rsv1cox wrote:No contest winner here, back yard fun flyer only but I can't wait to hang it on the wires.

Paint scheme, yet to be determined.

Have you ever checked out the "Wings Pallete" website? It's a little cumbersome to navigate but full of good paint schemes. Here's a link to the U.S.  Nieuport 28 paint schemes. There's a page with Swiss paint schemes as well, they look very easy to replicate.

http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww1/f/760/3

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Post  rsv1cox on Fri Dec 05, 2014 7:54 am

I did find at least two sets of proper Williams Bros. wheels Ken, I don't know why they didn't show up in my earlier search.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Williams-Brothers-1-8-Golden-Age-3-1-8-Diameter-WBR15200-/361127173135?pt=Radio_Control_Parts_Accessories&hash=item5414db5c0f

These look somewhat different, but the other set is more traditional in style similar if not identical to the wheels on my first 28. 1/8th scale @ 3 1/8" diameter.

Thanks for that very helpful link Jim. Book marked it. My list of favorite places has expanded significantly since finding this forum.

I like the 95th Aero Squadrons scheme but being a retired Navy guy I think I'm going with the last one on the list. A U.S. Navy schemed 28 assigned to VF-2. I was in VA-35 while stationed at NAS Jacksonville flying the AD-6 (Later A1).

I also like a couple of the trainer versions, but painted mostly green I thought them difficult to see while flying along the tree line.

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Post  GallopingGhostler on Fri Dec 05, 2014 9:02 am

$11.50 + $4.80 shipping = $16.30 total. I used to remember that William Bros wheels were a touch more than Dubro standard balloon wheels, but reasonable. Of course that was 30 years ago. Things have changed. I remember an article in one of the model mags that showed how to turn them from wood. I was at Hobby Lobby the other day, and for brand name block wood car wheels in the car crafts section, they wanted $5 for a set. Found nothing suitable for wheels in the bulk woods section. I guess people and kids are so into their electronic gadgets that hardly anyone these days does crafts.

I wanted to add that Sears on-line has them for $12 with free shipping.

Sears Williams Bros Vintage II 3 1/8" Dia Wheels
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Post  roddie on Sat Dec 06, 2014 9:08 pm

rsv1cox wrote:

That's a strange looking engine on that red plane roddie....

Hey Bob.. it's just a normal Cox reed-valve .049/Horseshoe backplate for running a little wedge-tank. The engine has one of my homemade mufflers fitted. Here's the thread on how it's made: https://www.coxengineforum.com/t5505-a-cheap-sport-muffler?highlight=cheap
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Post  rsv1cox on Sun Dec 07, 2014 7:05 am

roddie wrote:
rsv1cox wrote:

That's a strange looking engine on that red plane roddie....

Hey Bob.. it's just a normal Cox reed-valve .049/Horseshoe backplate for running a little wedge-tank. The engine has one of my homemade mufflers fitted. Here's the thread on how it's made: https://www.coxengineforum.com/t5505-a-cheap-sport-muffler?highlight=cheap

I figured as much roddie, but there was a chance that you had wrapped the little bugger in duct tape to keep it's little self warm........ sunny
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Post  rsv1cox on Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:07 pm

I have been sweating out how to cut the hole in the 28's cowl for the engine.  I have totally forgotten how I did it on my first model 28.  Then I thought, hole saw.  Worked out great after I cut a reinforcing block out of a 2X6.  



Cutting out the opening for the exhaust manifold was a different story and not quite so simple.  Straight lines but after cutting a filing to shape it didn't turn out too bad.  The cowl was dimpled but I was able to manage the cut to eliminate it.



Finished.  The hole on the other side of the cowl is for the needle valve.......something that I can't find.  I'm sure it's around someplace but I have looked at every possible place that I could have put it.  Needle valves for some strange reason develop feet and just walk away.



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Post  pkrankow on Sun Dec 07, 2014 8:43 pm

Use a jar for small parts like this and the needle valves will wander less...they still seem to wander though.

Very nice looking.

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Post  ian1954 on Mon Dec 08, 2014 3:43 am

That is very neat work with the cowling.

I use a strip of foam and place needles valves out of harms way. The foam is stuck to a shelf with double sided tape and I stick all the needles for the engines I am working with in the foam.

Only trouble is, after a while I forget which needle went with which NVA!.
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Post  getback on Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:33 am

Yeah Bob !! , Looking Gooood !! Those mean old needle's /with legs/  I got a Wen Mac I cleaned put together in a jar just so the long needle want get broken Lighting The Tree  Eric
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Post  rsv1cox on Mon Dec 08, 2014 11:52 am

Well I'll be darned.

My daughter came over this morning and I told her about the missing needle valve. Had to be in one of three places I told her. First two found nothing, climbed the stairs to the loft and within 10 seconds she had found it on the floor just to the right of the table with the red table cloth.



Younger eyes and perseverance win out. Not the first time that she has done this.



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