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Post  getback on Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:43 pm

i guess i need to find out the average wing size (square inch wise) is good for .010 - .020 engine  To start out with ?? Down seizing a plan to fit a .010 but to work with a pee wee or TD .020 later , What do you think Fishing Thanks for any help !!
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Post  1/2A Nut on Wed Jul 29, 2015 8:27 pm


I explored the TD .010 in a 3ch RC scratch design of my owner called it the Lil Speedy
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/1-2-1-8-airplanes-70/11597545-cox-td-010-ply-rolled-fuselage-3ch-speeder.html

My Lil Speedy test TD .010


test TD .020


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Post  TopBannana on Wed Jul 29, 2015 8:58 pm

Have you ever looked at the hobby king mini-stick Heres the link if not:
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__18653__Hobbyking_Mini_Stick_580mm_ARF_.html
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Post  cox24711 on Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:26 pm

TopBannana wrote:Have you ever looked at the hobby king mini-stick Heres the link if not:
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__18653__Hobbyking_Mini_Stick_580mm_ARF_.html
i have a mini stick but i don't have a 010 so i used my pee wee
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Post  Cribbs74 on Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:47 pm

getback wrote:i guess i need to find out the average wing size (square inch wise) is good for .010 - .020 engine  To start out with ?? Down seizing a plan to fit a .010 but to work with a pee wee or TD .020 later , What do you think Fishing Thanks for any help !!

Eric,

I think you may find that a plane suitable for the .010 will be way overpowered if you use a TD .020.

The only thing that comes to mind is the Queen Bee by Larry Scarinzi. It was designed around a Pee Wee, but will fly just as well with a .010.

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Post  1/2A Nut on Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:41 am

For a CL all you need is a 2.5" x 12" wing to keep it in the air and be nimble Small Cox Logo
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Post  getback on Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:29 am

1/2A Nut wrote:For a CL  all you  need is a 2.5" x 12" wing to keep it in the air and be nimble Small Cox Logo
Nut is that a slab wing or ribs? Ron is the pee wee not a FF plane ,, Sorry I didn't mention that its for C/L /// I am thinking the rib wing will be what would bee needed to be able to have a good flyer on either .010 or.020 engines . Has any one flown this model , the dancer http://www.outerzone.co.uk/plan_details.asp?ID=6150
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Post  1/2A Nut on Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:45 am

Sanded in airfoil front and back taper sheet wing with with balsa thick enough to create the airfoil 1/8th inch or 3 mm thick Popcorn

Wing that size will give you some speed / penetration to fight breezes. Small Cox Logo
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Post  getback on Thu Jul 30, 2015 11:20 am

Ok man that sounds good the winds are in and out around here so would need the penetration , Thanks Small Cox Logo Eric
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Post  roddie on Thu Jul 30, 2015 11:42 am

Eric, you probably already know this... but short lines will be in order. A Pee Wee .020 might handle 30 footers.. if the model is light enough.. but the Tee Dee .010 I would guess 25 footers max. I haven't tried either though.. so you may want to get some other opinions. That "diamond" airfoil design you were building a few years ago.. may be a good wing-construction technique to re-visit.. or a built-up slab-wing type.. like I posted recently. Those would both be lightweight and quick-building. Two Cents
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Post  getback on Thu Jul 30, 2015 11:55 am

Yes I was thinking 20 ' would be about right , and the wing design you had introduced is also in my mine just trying to get some info together , I have some 20,s and a 10 that is a ways from being fun , but with the TE coming up if I can get something together in time and have tested it before the engine arrives I may would fly it . But of coarse not to take any chances with someone else's engine before flight tested tongue The X8-A (warp wing ) is stagnant at this time . Thanks Roddie , Eric
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Post  Kim on Thu Jul 30, 2015 12:40 pm

In the case of an R/C plane, Ken Willard has several designs for that engine range. I've got a full page magazine plan of one of his somewhere I'll try to find if you think you could use it.

Also, you could probably get a copy of this one called "Pool Boy", which I'm still flying. An .010 or .020 is excellent for this little R/C plane.



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Post  1/2A Nut on Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:17 pm

I tried 24ft lines with my TD .020 and it was floating too much not enough pull. However if you use a combat wing style where no additional drag from a fuselage you might be just fine. Mine was a profile plane more draggy. I liked it on 20ft lines. For the TD .010 I wouldn't go past 18ft for the test flight.



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Post  batjac on Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:40 pm

Eric, to get some ideas of what you want to design for a .010, look at the PDK Micro plane page:

http://pdkllc.com/airplane-010-020/

It looks like Pat uses 24-25 square inches for his micros.

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Post  RknRusty on Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:19 pm

I like the Li'l Speedy so much it's going to be hard to choose between it and a tiny Ringmaster. If it looks like I'm getting the Traveling Engine near Ringmaster Fly-a-thon weekend, that may sway my choice. But I'd actually prefer to get the TE later than that.
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Post  getback on Thu Jul 30, 2015 6:08 pm

Kim wrote:In the case of an R/C plane, Ken Willard has several designs for that engine range.  I've got a full page magazine plan of one of his somewhere I'll try to find if you think you could use it.

Also, you could probably get a copy of this one called "Pool Boy", which I'm still flying.  An .010 or .020 is excellent for this little R/C plane.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF7cU_1HLZ0
Now that's nice young man .. I wish I could but I am not even that good from years ago now . Thanks Kim and I have heard you talk of this plane before , may even seen the vid. but it was as good this time as before ?? really nice landing !!
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Post  getback on Thu Jul 30, 2015 6:18 pm

Thanks Mark ,Rusty , George Nice site been hard to find difft. designs ,, Liti. speedy sounds lie you Rusty , George that's wild looking 1/2a U nut Thanks... Taking notes like Santa clause, not just .010 but .020 too I Love This Forum!
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Post  RknRusty on Thu Jul 30, 2015 6:57 pm

getback wrote: ,, Liti. speedy sounds lie you Rusty...
Okay, that does it! Thanks for pointing out the obvious, Eric. Li'l Speedy it is. Just need to figure out how to mold the fuselage and what with.
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Post  1/2A Nut on Thu Jul 30, 2015 7:10 pm

I do mention in the thread link posted above the vids...the wing squares about .010 to .020 is 58 sq.in. if I recall 1/2A is 88 sq./in
If you was to make a fast .010 I would go with 40 sq. in.


If you can fabricate a simple shape like this small base ball bat it will support the wood without cracking when you rap rubber bands around the ply wet it and let dry over night it will hold it shape well enough to start sticking in the formers and be very straight.



Second pic is using the same methods called the Skorch II building this one now.
The second 1/2A version I used epoxy finish rather than spray on fuel proof clear to avoid oil weeping
as what happen to the Lil Speedy It was resealed and resprayed the oil stain is now decoration.



Prop mod will get you closer to 40mph with the TD .010
A grey 4.5 x 2  cut down to 3 x 2 was getting 52 mph with this tip treatment level out of a dive.
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Post  RknRusty on Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:19 pm

Hey, Nut, thanks for the closeups and explanations. Maybe balsa is the way to go. I previously was thinking of some sort of carbon cloth with epoxy, and my cue stick. Or even better, my wife's old beat up cue stick Lol. I think Bob Zambelli made his Stunt Rocket out of fiberglass, so if I ever do something with materials like that I can tap his brain. I really do love the sleek birdlike look. That's what first drew me to the Baby Flite Streak early in my stunt career, and I enhanced it with the 35 sized Osprey. Not sure if you ever saw it. Crude compared to the Li'l Speedy though.

Here's Bob's old fiberglass tube Stunt Rocket. He still brings it out to fly. You can tell it's old by the color of his hair in this pic.

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P.S. I wasn't giving you near enough credit for that scratch design and build. Very impressive. I bookmarked the thread at RCG for future reference. I'll try to do it justice. I'm famous for talking more than doing, but I do have a list, 3 deep right now, and want to do them all. Stuntmen 23s, Mock Hyper Viper, and now a .010 micro Skorch/Li'l Speedy


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Post  larrys4227 on Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:31 pm

Love those pipes 1/2ANut .... nice planes too. Cool
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Post  GallopingGhostler on Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:36 pm

Here's a few more from Outerzone.co.uk plans site for Tee Dee .010 or Pee Wee .020:

14-in 1962 Cyclotron


11-in 1965 Knight Twister Bipe


18-in 1964 Li'l Stingray


22in 1964 Fokker EIII Eindecker


8-in 1962 Bullseye Flying Saucer
(Plan also shows larger 19-in Target)


16-in Wee One
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Post  RknRusty on Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:02 pm

I like the Knight Twister. Comes with a pack of Pall Mall King non filters. lol!

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Post  larrys4227 on Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:22 pm

Wow ... I completely missed that Rusty. I think the Cyclotron had my attention. It looks similar to a Perky.
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