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Post  RknRusty Thu Aug 04, 2016 8:36 pm

The Twister finally flies! It's been built in fits and starts since January. It's hard to believe some people can build a stunt ship in a couple of weeks. I guess if you've done it enough that you never have to ponder and figure things out, it all falls together that quickly. I am actually getting pretty good at a lot of things now that I have three builds under my belt. The Yak-9 was my first venture into larger than 1/2A planes, then the Osprey, which was a kitbashed Skyray into a Flite Streak, an ARF Oriental, and now the Twister. The small ones don't require as much critical problem solving if they are to be strictly sport fliers, and I built a few of them without fully understanding what I was doing, taking a month or so on average.

But anyway, she was finished enough to fly today, though still lacking a couple of minor loose ends. I think I've spent every night and Sunday for the past month in the shop, learning and doing. Wayne has been building a Tom Morris Cavalier and it too was ready for its maiden flight. So we had two virgin maidens on the slab ready to take to the skies.

I'm still working on some more wing decals for both planes. I guess I better paint my tip weight cover. So should it be red or blue? You can see how free my controls are. Gravity alone lowers the flaps and raises the elevator while sitting on the ground. Also, there is no light shining through any gaps in the hinge lines, so I see no reason to seal them like I have on other planes.
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After a couple of trim flights, it flies well. Too much flap action, so it's really twitchy. I need to slow them down in relation to the elevator. But I did get it flying well enough to put it through one full pattern. Not a pretty one, but it really flies with authority. Just too twitchy still with those flaps moving so much. But it has more strength in the overhead maneuvers than any plane I've ever flown. For instance the top loop of a vertical 8 pulls just about as hard as the 45 degree maneuvers. That's new to me, I'm used to nursing them through the maneuvers that are straight overhead, but not this one.

We spent a lot of time bench trimming the various CGs, and ended up removing some tip weight and moving the leadouts significantly aft, before the first flight. I will write more about that tomorrow, as it's quite interesting, but I'm out of time tonight. I did learn that the prop choice can significantly affect how much tip weight is needed. It makes simple sense but I'd never realized it before.

Hmmm, in the picture, I do see a squinch of light peeking out under that flap, maybe I need to rethink sealing at least that spot. When I weighed it this morning it didn't have a muffler(I forgot about that), so I bet that took it up to 40 ounces. I think the tongue muffler would require I add tail weight because it feels right on the edge of being tail heavy. When it was flying rich and slow on my first flight, it was hunting a tad, and after cutoff, a little floaty in the wind which died down on all the later flights.
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Wayne is more cautious than me, so he didn't do any daring maneuvers. That's one reason he has more planes in his hangar than me. A lot more of mine are in grocery bags, but none today Lol.

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Thanks for reading. I'll add to the story tomorrow and post a flick too.
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Post  NEW222 Thu Aug 04, 2016 8:43 pm

Good job there. They both look great! Looks like nice weather to fly too.
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Post  RknRusty Thu Aug 04, 2016 9:02 pm

NEW222 wrote:Good job there. They both look great! Looks like nice weather to fly too.
Hi, New, thanks. I was editing when you posted. Yes it was nice weather, and we really got the good out of the day. We stayed until sunset when a storm began to threaten.

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Post  1/2A Nut Fri Aug 05, 2016 5:43 am

Hi Rusty,

Nice close ups on the pic's sleek sexy planes! Good you and Wayne made it through
the first day of testing and tweaking!

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Post  fredvon4 Fri Aug 05, 2016 7:06 am

May be just camera angle but your LG looks to me to not have any or very much forward angle.... Other wise a sharp looking and sounds like will be a great flying air plane when you finish the trimming
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Post  Kim Fri Aug 05, 2016 8:28 am

Great Photos! Got to recruit somebody around here to man a camera !!!
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Post  RknRusty Fri Aug 05, 2016 8:29 am

fredvon4 wrote:May be just camera angle but your LG looks to me to not have any or very much forward angle.... Other wise a sharp looking and sounds like will be a great flying air plane when you finish the trimming
I hadn't noticed that until I saw the picture too. Landings are a long time problem for me, and yesterday, though the first two of the descents were floaty, my touchdowns were soft, the third and fourth had a better descent(no wind) and soft touchdown, and even one decent rollout. So for now, I'm leaving them alone. Thanks for taking the time to analyze and mention it, I'm not discouraging that.
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Post  1/2A Nut Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:53 pm

Here is my camera setup, always on the ready  Very Happy


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Post  Marleysky Fri Aug 05, 2016 5:55 pm

GREAT JOB! Nice pictures!  Don't know if it looks the same way to others, on my PC your picture is right side up. When looking at it on the little mini pad, you're standing inverted, like you're flying in Oldenginerod's territory....good for a chuckle on my end anyway Thumbs Up
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Post  RknRusty Fri Aug 05, 2016 7:56 pm

Yeah, Nut, I'd like to have a hatcam. I looked at Gopro prices a couple of years ago and had sticker shock. I'm sure I could get a cheap knockoff though.

We're going back out this Sunday, so I have a few things to change and fix on the plane. I'm going to flip my rod connections at the flap horn to reduce the flap throw. I need a ball link too for the front of the long rod, it has a clevis right now and that's death on a stick. I can scavenge one from the Osprey wreck. Maybe it won't fly like a slow combat plane after I fix that. And I have to cover that big exit hole in the wing. Wayne had modified the plans to fit the bellcrank in backwards and now I regret going back to the blueprints on that.

Marley, Wayne took that upside down picture. I rotated it with MS Office Picture manager but the thumbnail wouldn't flip, and somehow the picture coding isn't right. I had to use Servimg instead of Photobucket because it was confused even worse.

I watched the videos of my first two flights and they aren't interesting, just a couple of wingovers and a fire ant on the lens.

A little more trimming, a little more flying, lots more fun, and turn it up. Looks like Bob Z. is going to join us this time. He's a pretty cool dude to have around.
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Post  Cribbs74 Fri Aug 05, 2016 8:38 pm

All good news Rusty, I hope this one takes you where you want it to.

I really like Wayne's Cavalier, even though it's electric... Doh!
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Post  roddie Sat Aug 06, 2016 2:27 pm

Hey brother Rusty! Great to see the Twister in the air. You've worked so hard on it. It seems like a curse; that most hard-core c/l stunt guys endure.. being the model's finish. You've beaten yourself up so much over this model's finish.. that it's been hard for me to read about it. Please don't take that the wrong way. What's worth doing.. is well-worth doing correctly.. I understand. You have shared some very valuable finishing-information through your posts. You're definitely a "driven" man.. and that's something to aspire to!

I'd like to see your next build(s) be more relaxed. Maybe over this Winter.. you could build a couple of stunt-models that are good proven performers, utilizing a basic "no-frills" finish for the purpose of further-refining your flying-skills only. A couple of models that wouldn't have as large of a time-investment. Models that you're less worried about "wringing-out on the ragged-edge".. if you know what I mean.  Smile My Uncle used to build his combat/stunters with just a clear-dope finish over silk. Then he'd fly the $#it out of them...  Shocked  Laughing  Laughing

You're such an inspiration to me Rusty.. I feel your pain when things go sour on a build/finish/flight or otherwise. Not every modeler would share his experience the way that you do. I wish I had the same drive.
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Post  RknRusty Sat Aug 06, 2016 5:22 pm

Thanks, Brother Roddie, brother Ron and Brothers all. Rod, you're driven to experiment and learn, just for the sake of it and to present ideas to the forum, Ron, you're driven to maintain a young family at the expense of rationing your own fun time. I'm both driven to improve my building and flying, and just as much to write entertaining stories about my trials, successes, and failures. So both of my main hobbies, modeling and writing merge here for that purpose.

Ron I like Wayne's Cav too. He did a remarkably clean job on it, that the pictures betray. That lemon yellow is transparent because he wanted the wood to be clearly visible, and it came out great.

His wing decal will be a Cavalier, like the one in the picture below, when I finish cleaning it up, adjusting the colors and resizing it.
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Post  Cribbs74 Sat Aug 06, 2016 8:43 pm

That's a neat decal. It should look the part on that plane.

I should also mention that your plane turned out quite well also. You did a great job even if it took a little while to get there. In your defense though that was the first time you did a finish like that. Let's hope it's the "one" that gets you into expert.

I don't think that is light peeking through on that flap, I think it's just a reflection.
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Post  RknRusty Sat Aug 06, 2016 9:41 pm

Oh yeah, I'd forgotten to check for that gap in the hinges. I hoped all day but didn't get into the shop for preflight tonight until 9:30, and was pretty tired. Sweat dripping in my eyes, crawling on the floor looking for things I'd dropped, misplacing tools, realizing it's a bad idea to epoxy-lock my control horn bolts before trimming is done... Rolling Eyes Mercy! Screw this. At least I'm not going to fly until 2 or 3 tomorrow, and I'm sure it'll be easier in the morning. I gave up in frustration and came in and sat down to open CEF. Ah, some dude posted a cool flight report, so I spent a while chillin' and writing a reply.

Actually to just belong in Advanced would completely fulfill my competition goal in life. Winning it, I truly believe is out of the question, not that I won't try. And if I do get there, I'm sure I'll probably start to think about a top 3. But Expert... I don't believe is a realistic possibility. I'm still very mid pack Intermediate. And if this Twister is as competent as I felt on Thursday, I think in a year I can jump to Advanced if I really work at it.

Thanks for the compliments on my build. The new lightweight fast drying paint system is very forgiving. And it's great that it'll accept clear Lustrekote over dope in the power plant area. I learned a lot on this one that will have a huge impact on future builds. I have to put that Nobler ARF together now. It'll be my backup plane, and I have a good start on it already. The next kit is my sterling P-51, the mate to the Yak-9. I'll be looking for a Max-S .35 for it.

See y'all in the funny papers... or, no doubt, in a flight report tomorrow night.
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Post  getback Sun Aug 07, 2016 8:08 am

Glad to her everything went over without a problem that cant bee fixed , be looking forward to the flight videos!! I just changed interweb,phone,tv providers and have been off the grid for a few days ,, but happier with this and the price so far Small Cox Logo
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Post  fredvon4 Sun Aug 07, 2016 10:23 am

I have probably posted this in a PM or somewhere but Rusty is one of my personal heroes...

Way back a few years ago he told us of his work life, then the diabetes, then the shoulder and hand problems.

Then we learned about the frequent dialysis along with recovery from the physical injuries....
That and a limited income forced waiting for some simple things many of us take for granted to just order and pay for

I know many have helped him out, and I also know Rusty pays it forward and helps others out when he can
He is active in his circle of local friends and modelers as well as many distant clubs and groups of like minded fanatics
He is a moderator for CEF
He takes the time to set up and film FUN in motion... even if it shows him screwing up
He writes prolifically and comments on almost all postings by others
He does great and well done how to videos
He freely accepts advice and engages in cogent conversation often asking why.
Rusty also does a real good job of stating why he is doing it HIS way

I dearly want to meet this man

If there was a CEF member of the year...I would vote for Rusty Knowelton!


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Post  Marleysky Sun Aug 07, 2016 10:42 am

I SECOND that motion!!
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Post  roddie Sun Aug 07, 2016 3:17 pm

Well put Phred! Rusty was one of my first connections when I joined CEF. We've talked on the phone.. exchanged texts.. and he's been a good friend and modelling mentor to me.. as well as many others here! Hoping this afternoon's flights went well for him and his flying buddies.
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Post  RknRusty Sun Aug 07, 2016 7:36 pm

Fred, Rod, and Marley, thanks for the flatterations. Rod, I remember I was online and the first to reply to your first post, a movie about a Black Widow(or some sort of Bee). You three are all major supporters with contributions to CEF, thanks for that. And it makes me feel good to know my stories and reports are worth the time I spend on them. Yeah, I've fought a lot to be able to keep going, but everyone has their own challenges to life. One minor correction, and don't feel bad because it's a frequent assumption, my renal failure is not from diabetes. I'm lucky to have escaped that life shortening affliction. Mine was more likely caused by a case of strep throat when I was 17, or the big dose of antibiotics I got after falling into an oyster bed when I was 13... or both. In fact, on May 1st, the day I was flying PAMPA-PA in Huntersville this Spring was the 30th anniversary of the day I started dialysis, May 1, 1986. half my life ago. The average lifespan of a dialysis patient at that time was 5 years.

I just got back in from, flying and sat down to read my two forums, SH and CEF. The trim changes I made for today were to reverse the rods for the flap and elevator(the plans must have been mistaken), and it tamed the plane greatly. It's much less twitchy with the reduced flap throw. And getting the plumbing right made the fp.35 very happy. It gave a perfect stunt run all day without a single needle tweak. It continues to be the first plane I don't have to nurse through the overheads, and no longer feel the need to extend the tops beyond 90 degrees behind my head. It stays tighter than I knew a plane could while powering through the top of the V8 and the Hourglass. The HG has recently become my best consistently repeatable stunt, and on the down-leg, when it's rushing up on the ground, I know with confidence that when I flick the up line it is going to turn. So with all trimming so far, this plane is superior to any ship I've flown in my short stuttering PA career.

Bob Z came out with us today, and it's always a treat to see what he brings and watch his downright frenetic style of shredding the air. In fact, he's my only photo subject today, with his Fox powered Argus.
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And Blood on the Wing! (and elevator}
Sounds like a Doors song and a Pink Floyd song merged names Lol. I'm always bleeding on something. It's how I can tell I'm still alive!
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Post  Cribbs74 Sun Aug 07, 2016 8:33 pm

Shazam!

I like it when you set the needle once and you are good all day. It makes things much easier.

"Blood on the streets" is the opening lyric on Peace Frog. Pigs on the Wing is the floyd reference. The joke wasn't lost on me...

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Post  Oldenginerod Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:28 am

I caught the "Pigs on the wing" reference as well.  "Animals" was my first Floyd & first "real" album.  I knew every word and note.
Sorry, that's got nothing to do with Rusty's post, but I just had to say Thumbs Up
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Post  RknRusty Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:32 am

Oldenginerod wrote:I caught the "Pigs on the wing" reference as well.  "Animals" was my first Floyd & first "real" album.  I knew every word and note.
Sorry, that's got nothing to do with Rusty's post, but I just had to say Thumbs Up
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Post  RknRusty Tue Aug 09, 2016 7:50 am

I forgot to mention this.
I was fueling my plane and Wayne starts saying, "Rusty, come here, come look, hurry up..." I'm like, okay what's the emergency?... Got up and walked over to where he's standing by Bob's plane which is getting its lines rolled up. He told me to pull the control lines back and forth and look in the cockpit. I looked in to see a realistically detailed seat and instrument panel, pulled on the lines, and THE STICK MOVES BACK AND FORTH! It was not the SHA-ZAM Argus in the picture, but another oddity with a big pointy wing, that is said to have well over a thousand flights on it. What a fleet he's built over the years.

I never reported this, but he was practice flying his twin Fox powered Jezebel on the Friday of the Huntersville contest in May. It has been featured a couple of times in my flight reports. It always had a problem with the outboard engine shutting off first. He swapped the two engines before this flight. The outboard engine still shut off, the Jezebel rolled in and bashed the pavement. It's still in a grocery bag. He understandably took the loss very hard, but has gradually recovered, and now intends to build another of what he says was the most tedious build he's ever done.

R.I.P., Jez, here's another look. Click that first one up if you can. It's a sight. It has the original designer's picture on the stab.
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Btw, see the Magnum in the background... That's the last time it was ever seen intact. A half hour later it met its rude demise.

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Post  Ken Cook Tue Aug 09, 2016 1:09 pm

I still have a hard time dealing with crashing when it happens. It's a part of the game, I learned not to fix the wrecks anymore. I just throw them out which is a good thing. I wasted so much time thinking they were repairable. They rarely ever fly the same and the time spent on fixing them can be substituted into a new one. It's very hard to part with them.

              Rusty, here's Dan's Mustang Suzie Q    https://www.facebook.com/PhillyFliersCL/photos/pb.513140418756097.-2207520000.1470773377./1133778100025656/?type=3&theater   from this past weekend. He took that very hard. Many had a hand in building this plane and finishing, Bob Hunt, Mike Palko, Windy, and a few others who's names are beautifully stenciled on the side of the plane. All the checkerboards are individually masked and painted. It took nearly 3 years from start to finish on that plane.
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