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Post  ideeman1994 Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:10 am

I finally received two engines I got from eBay: a Golden Bee + Black Widow Very Happy

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I think it's one of the earliest Black Widow, with the rubber spinner, but I'm not sure... Can anyone confirm this?

I also got with it a tank+backplate which seems to come from a '50s Babe Bee... If somebody knows more about it Smile
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Post  RknRusty Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:39 am

Yes it is an early BW. And if you fly the Golden Bee with control line, the tank is on it upside down. The vent tubes will be in the way of the pickup tube's outboard position.


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Post  microflitedude Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:39 am

The extra backplate is from the 50's - no "Made in USA". And large head NV.

You are right about the Black widow. Is there a number on it? I think it should be 1.
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Post  RknRusty Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:44 am

Sometimes the 1 is stamped on the facing on the corner of one of the exhaust ports. Microflitedude has a cylinder with a #1 stamped on the barrel if the cylinder, but it does not have the deep BW ports. I'm not sure what's up with that.

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Post  microflitedude Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:49 am

RknRusty wrote:Sometimes the 1 is stamped on the facing on the corner of one of the exhaust ports. Microflitedude has a cylinder with a #1 stamped on the barrel if the cylinder, but it does not have the deep BW ports. I'm not sure what's up with that.

I am 99% sure my #1 is a SuperBee cylinder, like you suggested when I first showed it to you.
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Post  ideeman1994 Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:53 am

Yep, #1 stamped on the cylinder, under the exhaust port Smile
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Post  RknRusty Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:11 pm

If you have the cylinder off, you can confirm the Black Widow with a caliper by measuring the width between the deepest points of the opposing bypass ports. A BW will measure about .485" across and an ordinary dual bypass cylinder will be about .475" or slightly less. That's from my memory, I'll double check that tonight.

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Post  nitroairplane Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:14 pm

Nice ones Manu,
How much did you pay for it?
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Post  ideeman1994 Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:44 pm

28 bucks Smile

RknRusty: I measure (12.2 +-0.1)mm ==> .480 inches... Is it a half BW cyl? Laughing

EDIT: no bypass boosters, like here, piston #3:

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Post  nitroairplane Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:27 pm

ideeman1994 wrote:28 bucks Smile

RknRusty: I measure (12.2 +-0.1)mm ==> .480 inches... Is it a half BW cyl? Laughing

EDIT: no bypass boosters, like here, piston #3:

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Is that one on the far right an early cylinder?
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Post  ideeman1994 Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:47 pm

Yes it is Smile


EDIT: uh oh, something is wrong with my avatar...
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Post  RknRusty Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:59 pm

nitroairplane wrote:
ideeman1994 wrote:28 bucks Smile

RknRusty: I measure (12.2 +-0.1)mm ==> .480 inches... Is it a half BW cyl? Laughing

EDIT: no bypass boosters, like here, piston #3:

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Is that one on the far right an early cylinder?
I didn't claim my calipers were certified by the international bureau of weights and measures. And I did post a disclaimer about my memory. But yeah, you get the Rusty stamp of approval. It IS a Black Widow. Very Happy

Yes, far right is the old narrow cylinder, I believe. The first one is like a Tee Dee #4 if it has the taper. The second is everything they sell now.

Btw, that's a really nice looking haul. I'd love to have a golden Bee. I'd put a hotter top end on it, but I do that to everything I've ever owned that had an engine. Rolling Eyes

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Post  nitroairplane Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:44 am

I would like a Black Widow.
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Post  RknRusty Sat Nov 19, 2011 6:59 am

I bought a pair of NIBs recently for a total of $62. Maybe that was the deal of the Century. They came with a 4oz Sullivan tank too. That was good for the test bench.

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Post  Kim Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:30 am

Yo Ideeman!

How are you set on gaskets for these things? Gonna get your muffler gong here shortly, and can chuck a few in the box.
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Post  ideeman1994 Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:51 am

PM for you Wink

RknRusty: actually, my Golden Bee didn't have at first this piston+glo head, I had to find others... But he still looks great!
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Post  nitroairplane Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:43 am

Have you run them yet?
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Post  ideeman1994 Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:46 am

Nope, I need to find proper fuel... I didn't try the home-castored fuel Smile
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Post  nitroairplane Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:47 am

ideeman1994 wrote:Nope, I need to find proper fuel... I didn't try the home-castored fuel Smile

Yeah you find out if your LHS can stock model techincs yet?
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Post  ideeman1994 Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:48 am

I asked, they can't...

I'm now going out... Maybe later? Smile
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Post  nitroairplane Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:54 am

ideeman1994 wrote:I asked, they can't...

I'm now going out... Maybe later? Smile

Ok then,
I dont know how you can get it then Huh...
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Post  mr_cox Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:50 am

Hey, thats a empty engine box lol!
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Post  ideeman1994 Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:44 am

mr_cox wrote:Hey, thats a empty engine box lol!

Yeah, I just love them as backgrounds to take pics of my engines Very Happy

I used the smallest one to put my "original factory" parts, the biggest one is used for 6 boxes of "NIB" engine I have Smile


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Post  mr_cox Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:54 am

Looking good as a background! Very Happy
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Post  Admin Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:08 am

How did you get your hands on those boxes? My local hobby shop had 3 of those boxes flattened in their cardboard recycling bin but they refused to let me take them as "they get paid for the amount of cardboard the bring to the recycling center". They just couldn't give up a few boxes even when I offered to pay something for them...
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