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Cox Engine of The Month
Don't do as I do! Do as I say!
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Don't do as I do! Do as I say!
There I was, contemplating the CEF Speed contest and thinking "Which engine would I use?"
So I thought - Ron is contemplating a Space Hopper and going retro - therefore, I am older than he is and so I will go more retro.
Thermal Hopper it is then!
I dug out my "Bitza" - Bits of this and bits of that - and decided to run it in.
After careful mounting, it started first flick ( well lucky methinks!) and I let it burble steadily - 20% nitro, 5 x 4 round tip Cox propeller, 14k - three tanks, cooling off in between.
Then moved to a 5 1/4 x 4 Top Flite Nylon two more tanks - steady 15.1K.
Now for RULE 1 - DON'T USE OLD NYLON PROPELLERS
and RULE 2 - DON'T USE UNBALANCED PROPELLERS
I then moved onwards
5 x 4 Flat tip Cox prop - 15.7K
5 x 3 Saftey tip Cox prop - 16.2K
Then - 4 3/4 x 4 trimmed Top Flite - 18.8K
However, at this stage I realised something was not quite right
There was noticable vibration which I knew was down to the prop being out of balance.
RULE 3 - DON'T IGNORE WARNING SIGNS
On the second run the vibration became even worse - if you look at the picture you will see that the upper bar of the mounting cage had broken.
Anyway, three out of four bars will be enough I said to myself.
RULE 4 - DON'T CARRY ON IGNORING WARNING SIGNS
Now, I increased the compression and the revs increased to (for me to know and you to wonder!)
The vibration calmed down.
RULE 5 - THINGS DON'T CURE THEMSELVES
The next start up had me with a camera in one hand and the rev counter in the other. I was intending to film was I was seeing.
However, the propeller disintegrated - part of the blade just missed me - followed by a cracking sound and the engine flying off and biting me with what was left of the propeller.
One broken cage!
A bitten finger
RULE 6 - STAY BEHIND A RUNNING ENGINE. NOT AT THE SIDE OR IN FRONT!
So I thought - Ron is contemplating a Space Hopper and going retro - therefore, I am older than he is and so I will go more retro.
Thermal Hopper it is then!
I dug out my "Bitza" - Bits of this and bits of that - and decided to run it in.
After careful mounting, it started first flick ( well lucky methinks!) and I let it burble steadily - 20% nitro, 5 x 4 round tip Cox propeller, 14k - three tanks, cooling off in between.
Then moved to a 5 1/4 x 4 Top Flite Nylon two more tanks - steady 15.1K.
Now for RULE 1 - DON'T USE OLD NYLON PROPELLERS
and RULE 2 - DON'T USE UNBALANCED PROPELLERS
I then moved onwards
5 x 4 Flat tip Cox prop - 15.7K
5 x 3 Saftey tip Cox prop - 16.2K
Then - 4 3/4 x 4 trimmed Top Flite - 18.8K
However, at this stage I realised something was not quite right
There was noticable vibration which I knew was down to the prop being out of balance.
RULE 3 - DON'T IGNORE WARNING SIGNS
On the second run the vibration became even worse - if you look at the picture you will see that the upper bar of the mounting cage had broken.
Anyway, three out of four bars will be enough I said to myself.
RULE 4 - DON'T CARRY ON IGNORING WARNING SIGNS
Now, I increased the compression and the revs increased to (for me to know and you to wonder!)
The vibration calmed down.
RULE 5 - THINGS DON'T CURE THEMSELVES
The next start up had me with a camera in one hand and the rev counter in the other. I was intending to film was I was seeing.
However, the propeller disintegrated - part of the blade just missed me - followed by a cracking sound and the engine flying off and biting me with what was left of the propeller.
One broken cage!
A bitten finger
RULE 6 - STAY BEHIND A RUNNING ENGINE. NOT AT THE SIDE OR IN FRONT!
ian1954- Diamond Member
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Re: Don't do as I do! Do as I say!
That's one of those funny, yet not funny stories. Hope you have another cage!
The finger should heal soon. It's what we do for big numbers!
The finger should heal soon. It's what we do for big numbers!
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Re: Don't do as I do! Do as I say!
"RULE 6 - STAY BEHIND A RUNNING ENGINE. NOT AT THE SIDE OR IN FRONT!"
If anyone read my post a week ago about my experience with a McCoy .29 deciding to go flying without a plane, Ian's statement certainly rings true. A 9" nylon at full tilt would do quite a bit more damage than what he displayed. I haven't even found the prop fragments from when it hit the wall.
We can become complacent, knowing of a problem, but we sometimes stubbornly push on, not that I'm calling Ian stubborn. That's my job. I continue to put off buying a prop balancer and I continue to tolerate prop imbalance problems. A balanced prop probably would have prevented Ian's Hopper from breaking the cage and my Red Head from vibrating my test stand loose. We live and learn (sometimes).
Rod.
If anyone read my post a week ago about my experience with a McCoy .29 deciding to go flying without a plane, Ian's statement certainly rings true. A 9" nylon at full tilt would do quite a bit more damage than what he displayed. I haven't even found the prop fragments from when it hit the wall.
We can become complacent, knowing of a problem, but we sometimes stubbornly push on, not that I'm calling Ian stubborn. That's my job. I continue to put off buying a prop balancer and I continue to tolerate prop imbalance problems. A balanced prop probably would have prevented Ian's Hopper from breaking the cage and my Red Head from vibrating my test stand loose. We live and learn (sometimes).
Rod.
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Re: Don't do as I do! Do as I say!
Not to rub salt in your wounds, but quite the opposite. The same thing happens in real airplanes... with much worse outcomes.
I remember a story of a guy who had a Twin Comanche who had intermittent problems with one engine. It would run great then hit a bump and the left engine would sputter. Sometimes, it would happen on take off. He had taken it to a few mechanics who couldn't find the problem. Well, eventually, the other engine failed (dropped a value if I remember correctly) on take off, the dodgy engine was all that remained. The failed engine ran at low power and vibrated terribly.... that is when the dodgy engine decided to lose power. He ended up gearing up in a field a mile or so off the airport. One of the passengers sustained serious injuries.
The NTSB stepped in. Both engines were torn down. The failed engine had a bad casting that caused the failure: that happens. The dodgy engine was found to have a small screw in the float bowl. The NTSB determined that the screw periodically got stuck under the float causing the engine to run overly rich. They determined that the vibration of the failed engine moved the screw under the float resulting in a loss of power.
While our little engines are not likely to kill us, the moral still applies: if it ain't right sometimes, IT AIN'T RIGHT!
I remember a story of a guy who had a Twin Comanche who had intermittent problems with one engine. It would run great then hit a bump and the left engine would sputter. Sometimes, it would happen on take off. He had taken it to a few mechanics who couldn't find the problem. Well, eventually, the other engine failed (dropped a value if I remember correctly) on take off, the dodgy engine was all that remained. The failed engine ran at low power and vibrated terribly.... that is when the dodgy engine decided to lose power. He ended up gearing up in a field a mile or so off the airport. One of the passengers sustained serious injuries.
The NTSB stepped in. Both engines were torn down. The failed engine had a bad casting that caused the failure: that happens. The dodgy engine was found to have a small screw in the float bowl. The NTSB determined that the screw periodically got stuck under the float causing the engine to run overly rich. They determined that the vibration of the failed engine moved the screw under the float resulting in a loss of power.
While our little engines are not likely to kill us, the moral still applies: if it ain't right sometimes, IT AIN'T RIGHT!
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Re: Don't do as I do! Do as I say!
ian1954 wrote:
RULE 6 - STAY BEHIND A RUNNING ENGINE. NOT AT THE SIDE OR IN FRONT!
I would say this is the most important rule. I've seen even new props fly apart and often times you don't find the other half the the prop. I was over at a friend's house when he was running a Rossi .90 damn near wide open in his garage when the 11"-12" wooden prop blew apart. One blade of the prop was sticking out of the wood paneling on the wall and the other half of the blade was nowhere to be found. Even after boiling them, I still wouldn't trust an old nylon prop. I've had one blow apart myself.
Was the cage mount aftermarket or original Cox?
Re: Don't do as I do! Do as I say!
I've had those old white nylon Top Flite props blow up on me. Scared me good. Happily no other damage or injury.
You are lucky the damage is the cage and superficial skin damage.
Phil
You are lucky the damage is the cage and superficial skin damage.
Phil
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RE:Don't do as I do! Do as I say!
Got a new Prop balancer,(from archives) was a good read,spinning those kind of R,s can get serious,ian that sounds like something Yoda would say!rat
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