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Post  happydad Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:08 am

Cox International wrote:I believe it is discontinued.

Bernie: have you contacted any of our friends in China who advertise on Ebay for the exact RTF type plane you are looking for? I deal with several companies and they always seem very willing to help in any way they can to get me exactly what i want. and someone with your purchasing power and reputation may have more clout than us as individuals. I can give you examples thru PM if you need one or two i have dealt with. happydad Small Cox Logo

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Post  WingingIt74 Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:35 am

Hi Travis,

We do not have any ARF's small enough for a Cox .049. A couple of our ARF's
will fly with .074's or .09's - the Kadet EP-42 and the Rascal 49, and we
have quite a few kits for the ..049. The Sig Hummer and part of the Herr
Engineering R/C kits will work.

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Post  WingingIt74 Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:39 am

happydad wrote:Bernie: have you contacted any of our friends in China who advertise on Ebay for the exact RTF type plane you are looking for? I deal with several companies and they always seem very willing to help in any way they can to get me exactly what i want. and someone with your purchasing power and reputation may have more clout than us as individuals. I can give you examples thru PM if you need one or two i have dealt with. happydad Small Cox Logo

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Can you post some examples here?
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Post  happydad Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:18 pm

WingingIt74 wrote:
happydad wrote:Bernie: have you contacted any of our friends in China who advertise on Ebay for the exact RTF type plane you are looking for? I deal with several companies and they always seem very willing to help in any way they can to get me exactly what i want. and someone with your purchasing power and reputation may have more clout than us as individuals. I can give you examples thru PM if you need one or two i have dealt with. happydad Small Cox Logo

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Can you post some examples here?

i have dealt with R2Hobbies for parts not in there usual inventory and they helped me find flex shafts that were smaller than those shown in inventory for a boat i was building. they also have weekly sales up to 50% off.
hobbyking always has sales on slow sales items. i have heard people on this forum ask for the mini stick before. see pic.

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available from hobbyking currently in kit or ARF for under $26 + shipping. price shown is $27.30
no one mentioned a preference of CL or RC.

yesterday HK had a J3 Cub with 40+ inch wingspan for $16+ one day only. EPP foam.

two examples. happydad Small Cox Logo

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Post  happydad Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:31 pm

WingingIt74 wrote:
happydad wrote:Bernie: have you contacted any of our friends in China who advertise on Ebay for the exact RTF type plane you are looking for? I deal with several companies and they always seem very willing to help in any way they can to get me exactly what i want. and someone with your purchasing power and reputation may have more clout than us as individuals. I can give you examples thru PM if you need one or two i have dealt with. happydad Small Cox Logo

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Can you post some examples here?
found the J3 Cub still for $16.90 + shipping. 40+inch wing Epp foam. made for electric, but looks like it could be easily converted to gas with a plywood firewall epoxied in or something similar.

link here:

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__12971__J3_Cub_EP_Old_Timer_ARF_.html

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again i think someone with bernies horsepower and business sense would need to contact the sellers and try to work out some type of a suitable arrangement between them.

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Post  RknRusty Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:43 pm

I think Bernie really is hoping for something with less than a 30" wingspan.

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Post  microflitedude Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:12 pm

RknRusty wrote:I think Bernie really is hoping for something with less than a 30" wingspan.

Less than 30"?

My Cub is 31" and is a rocket with a mild reedie.
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Post  WingingIt74 Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:13 pm

microflitedude wrote:My Cub is 31" and is a rocket with a mild reedie.

What's your total weight, any idea? How is the EPP holding up to the fuel?

In case if you didn't know, MFD's is a Hobbyzone Mini Super Cub
http://www.horizonhobby.com/products/HBZ4800#t2
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Post  microflitedude Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:36 pm

I haven't flown it lately. The AUW is close to 11oz.

I coated the nose area with epoxy. It's been OK so far.
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Post  WingingIt74 Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:55 pm

I'm going to pick one up and do a build/review Smile
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Post  happydad Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:02 pm

WingingIt74 wrote:I'm going to pick one up and do a build/review Smile
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if you do order one why don't you post the shipping costs so others can see how expensive or inexpensive it is. according to the website i was on last night the plane was available from the U.S. warehouse. happydad Small Cox Logo

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Post  microflitedude Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:26 pm

Shipping to me is $23.
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Post  WingingIt74 Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:52 pm

Plane & Shipping $37.52
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Post  Cox International Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:53 pm

WingingIt74 wrote:Kit:
HERR AQUA-STAR SEAPLANE 1/2A
R/C .049-.061 42 INCH WINGSPAN
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Probably too heavy again.
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Post  Cox International Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:54 pm

cribbs74 wrote:Bernie,

Is it possible to create a kit/ARF?


Yes but I am not really interested as volume would be low and I am looking for existing kits.
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Post  Cox International Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:55 pm

happydad wrote:
Cox International wrote:I believe it is discontinued.

Bernie: have you contacted any of our friends in China who advertise on Ebay for the exact RTF type plane you are looking for? I deal with several companies and they always seem very willing to help in any way they can to get me exactly what i want. and someone with your purchasing power and reputation may have more clout than us as individuals. I can give you examples thru PM if you need one or two i have dealt with. happydad Small Cox Logo

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Have not but you can certainly email me at support@coxenigines.ca

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Post  Cox International Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:56 pm

happydad wrote:
WingingIt74 wrote:
happydad wrote:Bernie: have you contacted any of our friends in China who advertise on Ebay for the exact RTF type plane you are looking for? I deal with several companies and they always seem very willing to help in any way they can to get me exactly what i want. and someone with your purchasing power and reputation may have more clout than us as individuals. I can give you examples thru PM if you need one or two i have dealt with. happydad Small Cox Logo

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Can you post some examples here?

i have dealt with R2Hobbies for parts not in there usual inventory and they helped me find flex shafts that were smaller than those shown in inventory for a boat i was building. they also have weekly sales up to 50% off.
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Thanks and I shall look into this.
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Post  SuperDave Fri Oct 05, 2012 10:53 am

Bernie:

You are more familiar with the market than I but it seems new ARF pilots should start and learn by flying CL first. The investment is less but the principles of flying a very similar. Buying the radio gear alone for RC often exceeds $100 whereas a CL trainer is less than half of that RTF.

I've seem inexperienced RC pilots "wipe out" an RC plane the first time off the ground. Why set yourself up for that experience?

The best way to learn to fly ANYTHING is with the assistance of a knowledgeable "coach" that can take the newb through the steps to success rather than disappointment and/or destruction.

Just thought from someone with extensive CL and RC experience.
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Post  WingingIt74 Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:07 am

SuperDave wrote:Bernie:

You are more familiar with the market than I but it seems new ARF pilots should start and learn by flying CL first. The investment is less but the principles of flying a very similar. Buying the radio gear alone for RC often exceeds $100 whereas a CL trainer is less than half of that RTF.

I've seem inexperienced RC pilots "wipe out" an RC plane the first time off the ground. Why set yourself up for that experience?

The best way to learn to fly ANYTHING is with the assistance of a knowledgeable "coach" that can take the newb through the steps to success rather than disappointment and/or destruction.

Just thought from someone with extensive CL and RC experience.

Dave... no offense... New pilots have no idea what CL is... A new pilot will pick up a cheap RC plane to fly in their backyard. Also a new pilot will wreck either an RC or CL, so that's kinda a mute point. RC ARFs are way easier to fix then a CL, you just buy the part, put it on and fly.

For instance, one of these: http://secure.hobbyzone.com/rcplanes/beginner/
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Post  SuperDave Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:38 am

Bernie:

Understood.

Still a "coach" or good flight sim helps avoid the disappointment of destroying your first RC plane whether it's repairable or not. Just learning not to overcontrol, as most newbs do, is a lesson unto itself.

Go into a dive and attempt to recover by pulling back hard on the elevator. Result: STALL which presents another problem itself. A CL has only one flight surface to control where in RC there are several. I've seen many "newbs" crashing in the resultant confusion of what to do next.

Of course learning "the hard way" is the most concrete of learning experiences but it may well lead to people getting out of the hobby entirely.

I'd like to think that successful flight experiences build a better marketing opportunity and advances the hobby as wll


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Post  Cox International Fri Oct 05, 2012 11:48 am

SuperDave wrote:Bernie:

You are more familiar with the market than I but it seems new ARF pilots should start and learn by flying CL first. The investment is less but the principles of flying a very similar. Buying the radio gear alone for RC often exceeds $100 whereas a CL trainer is less than half of that RTF.

I've seem inexperienced RC pilots "wipe out" an RC plane the first time off the ground. Why set yourself up for that experience?

The best way to learn to fly ANYTHING is with the assistance of a knowledgeable "coach" that can take the newb through the steps to success rather than disappointment and/or destruction.

Just thought from someone with extensive CL and RC experience.


Dave,

Fully understand and I agree but the gist of my post was more along the lines of "are there currently kits for sale for RC (or CL) that are ARF or RTF for Cox .049 engines?"

My primary mission was to let buyers know where they can buy such and secondly to perhaps distribute them ourselves.

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Post  microflitedude Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:23 pm

IMHO, the Hobbyzone Champ is the best RC trainer, hands down. I have one. The thing is hard to crash.

I taught myself to fly RC with Hobbyzone Mini Super Cub. After that, I joined a local club and took flying lessons with an instructor, using a .40 size trainer. Earned my wings and it went from there.

Rusty has been helping me with CL.

All Bernie needs to do is list the plane "for experienced pilots only". Not all his planes have to be for beginners.
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Post  SuperDave Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:47 pm

Here's to Eric Rule at RSM modes! Beer Cheers

When I noticed several parts missing from my recently obtained "Pinto" 1/2A stunter kit I e'd Eric snd he sent thd parts to me right away. That's the type of customer support that we expect but sometimes don't get.

BTW, the "Pinto" is NOT a plane for first time builders as it lacks instructions. So you on your own to carefully devise your own strategy for the build. Experience is serving me well in the "Pinto's" construction. Very Happy
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