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Post  RknRusty on Sun Jul 26, 2015 9:33 pm

Is there a gap between the firewall and engine so the air intake is not blocked?
The instruction sheet says to add washers under the inboard screws to angle the engine thrust outward. So for the air gap, I put one washer under each screw behind the engine. And for offset thrust, I put an additional washer under each inboard screw.

That picture Rod shows has a ridiculous amount of thrust offset. I used #4 washers for air gap and offset. Mine fly okay that way except they need to be balanced further aft than the instructions 1/2" to 1". They won't loop worth a dang, so I will move the CG back another 1/4" next time I fly. Seems like they need more tip-weight too. They are very loose on the lines at 35'.
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Post  cox24711 on Mon Jul 27, 2015 2:02 am

dam i tryed a run today and the golden bee was playing up!! DAMMIT! probably need a disassemble and check Huh...
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Post  Oldenginerod on Mon Jul 27, 2015 3:25 am

cox24711 wrote:dam i tryed a run today and the golden bee was playing up!! DAMMIT! probably need a disassemble and check Huh...
Is this an engine you've run before or is it something you got off Fred?
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Post  Oldenginerod on Mon Jul 27, 2015 3:46 am

RknRusty wrote:That picture Rod shows has a ridiculous amount of thrust offset.

I guess that the offset is due to the extreme lightness of the coroplast and the lack of a fin.
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Post  Ken Cook on Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:05 am

The only reason for the offset is that the plane is for a beginner. While the designer put these into the plans, they're improving line tension and hampering maneuverability.  Weight and the lack of a rudder is irrelevant. The plane is underpowered and the offset is  insurance that it will keep the plane out on the lines if it gets sideswiped by a crosswind. Coroplast or Corex doesn't hold it's shape well especially if it takes a ground strike or two. As Rusty mentioned, if it starts becoming light on the lines, it could be due to a warp behind the carbon rod seeing the flutes run wing tip to wing tip internally. The carbon is strengthening the wing up front but virtually no strength is behind it. Using a TD would certainly help but a Norvel would be better. I've seen these used with Norvel .061's and the Start Up tank which flew ok.  Ken
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Post  pkrankow on Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:42 am

cox24711 wrote:dam i tryed a run today and the golden bee was playing up!! DAMMIT! probably need a disassemble and check Huh...

Pull the NV and push fuel through the threaded hole. This will flood the engine like nobody's business, but it will also wash the reed and push trash out the intake.

Install the NV, clear the flood, first by tipping the engine up and slowly pulling it through a couple rotations as we don't want to force the engine against a fluid lock (having enough fuel in the engine to fluid lock is very easy when flushing like this). Once the engine is drained it is merely flooded, so try starting it with the NV closed or no fuel in the tank.

After the engine is clear, fuel it up, set the NV, hang a drop of fuel on the closed exhaust port and give it a go.

This is a normal procedure that will likely need done after several landings in grass. It should also be done if you think the engine might have pulled dirt or seeds in. When teaching my nephews last year I had to do this every 3 or 4 starts since they were never running the engine out of fuel and crashing. This year it was not nearly as frequent since running the tank out was normal.

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Post  cox24711 on Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:19 pm

thank you so much !
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Post  pkrankow on Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:12 am

cox24711 wrote:thank you so much !
I Love This Forum!

I take it the flush worked?

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Post  cox24711 on Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:56 pm

yes it did!!
my golden bee is working i have been doing some practises for my big weekend at the club you know spinning around for ages lol! i simply can not wait then i can fly it in my mums horse's paddock bounce dont worry thats when the horse is being ridden lol! otherwise it will scare the heck out of the old fella!
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Post  RknRusty on Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:54 pm

pkrankow wrote:...Pull the NV and push fuel through the threaded hole.  This will flood the engine like nobody's business, but it will also wash the reed and push trash out the intake....
Phil
That's good advice. Resist the impulse to disassemble the engine every time it hiccups. If it was put together right, it should stay that way and many problems can be troubleshot without taking it apart. You always risk introducing new problems when you rip into an engine. I've seen a few folks too eager to take it apart when it first acts up.
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Post  cox24711 on Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:20 pm

RknRusty wrote:
pkrankow wrote:...Pull the NV and push fuel through the threaded hole.  This will flood the engine like nobody's business, but it will also wash the reed and push trash out the intake....
Phil
That's good advice. Resist the impulse to disassemble the engine every time it hiccups. If it was put together right, it should stay that way and many problems can be troubleshot without taking it apart. You always risk introducing new problems when you rip into an engine. I've seen a few folks too eager to take it apart when it first acts up.
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thanks Very Happy I Love This Forum! This Site Rocks! for the advice rusty
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Post  cox24711 on Thu Jul 30, 2015 7:14 pm

i ran the black widow on it yesterday and i back fired and ran backwards and sliced my finger 7 times Shocked it hurt a bit Sad but that that fun isn't it lol! going fying tomorrow with col (one of the old guys at the club ) Flying i carnt wait bounce Airplane im going to get dissy with that big stunt tank drunken
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Post  RknRusty on Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:56 pm

cox24711 wrote:...im going to get dissy with that big stunt tank drunken
No you're not. Because first, you're going to stand in your bedroom and hold your arm out and turn and turn and turn and turn and turn and turn...
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Post  cox24711 on Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:00 pm

RknRusty wrote:
cox24711 wrote:...im going to get dissy with that big stunt tank drunken
No you're not. Because first, you're going to stand in your bedroom and hold your arm out and turn and turn and turn and turn and turn and turn...
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i've done that sooo many times thats what col said as well!
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Post  gossie on Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:59 pm

cox24711 wrote:
RknRusty wrote:
cox24711 wrote:...im going to get dissy with that big stunt tank drunken
No you're not. Because first, you're going to stand in your bedroom and hold your arm out and turn and turn and turn and turn and turn and turn...
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i've done that sooo many times thats what col said as well!

I tried that trick once re. getting dizzy in the bedroom and my Mrs. caught me........... lol!
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Post  Oldenginerod on Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:40 am

Greg. When you do get in the air, just concentrate on watching the plane. The world will just blur around you, but you only really need to identify what's sky and what's ground. If you focus on the plane then there's less chance of getting dizzy. If your eyes stop following the plane to focus on the background and then have to catch up with the plane, that's when it all goes wrong.

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Post  larrys4227 on Fri Jul 31, 2015 5:06 am

The speed of the plane is also important at the beginning. Maybe a bit longish lines to start to keep the rate of your spinning down. The faster you turn, the more difficult to get over the dizzy's.

Turning in your room is a big help .... hold your hand out just like you are flying (hold a handle too!). Try counting in your head the speed of your revolutions. Maybe start @ 1 turn every 5 seconds .... you'll eventually want to get faster @ 3-4 seconds per turn, which is about the rate you'll be turning with your plane.

When I was really into learning the C/L pattern .... I would stand in a room with my arm out .... turning circles and painting the sky with each maneuver. It really helped.

As you progress, there will be times that the downwind side is facing the sun. The plane inevitably will go right through the sun each time. To prevent being blinded, close one eye just before the plane crosses into the sun, and reopen just after it passes. You'll still have a minor blind spot in your vision, but you'll pickup the plane easily as it passes.

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Post  cox24711 on Sun Aug 02, 2015 4:40 am

thanks going flying tomorrow Very Happy
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Post  cox24711 on Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:16 pm

still havent flown going flying on the weekend with more mudder offset! I Love This Forum!
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Post  pkrankow on Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:14 pm

cox24711 wrote:still havent flown going flying on the weekend with more mudder offset! I Love This Forum!

So, large balloon tires or skies/pontoons for the mudding?

(Yes, I am sure that is supposed to be rudder, but I couldn't help myself)

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Post  cox24711 on Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:57 pm

i carnt wait ! just 2 days including today! This Site Rocks!
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Post  Oldenginerod on Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:06 pm

pkrankow wrote:
cox24711 wrote:still havent flown going flying on the weekend with more mudder offset! I Love This Forum!

So, large balloon tires or skies/pontoons for the mudding?

(Yes, I am sure that is supposed to be rudder, but I couldn't help myself)

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Post  cox24711 on Thu Aug 06, 2015 2:21 am

lol!
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Post  cox24711 on Sat Aug 08, 2015 12:41 am

i flew it today went well the first flight the lines are so loose so going to put some more tip weight on it don't make me metio the second flight i picked the  handle up side down and the motor got separated from the plane Rolling Eyes  so when i got home i wrote up on both sides lol!
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Post  gossie on Sat Aug 08, 2015 1:00 am

cox24711 wrote:i flew it today went well the first flight the lines are so loose so going to put some more tip weight on it don't make me metio the second flight i picked the  handle up side down and the motor got separated from the plane Rolling Eyes  so when i got home i wrote up on both sides lol!

We've all done that. Try again when it's fixed.
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