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Post  TexasWade on Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:12 am

Looking for maybe 3 or 4 extra loose .049 cylinder/piston sets to mess around with.  I want to do some experiments to see if I can tighten up the fit by either stretching the piston or shrinking the cylinder.  Hoping to do about $20 shipped to North Texas (76205)
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Post  Paulgibeault on Wed Jul 04, 2018 6:24 pm

Hello there,

If you're still looking I have several excellent condition but too loose .049 Tee Dee & Black Widow cylinders.

Cheers, Paul G.
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Post  coxaddict on Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:54 pm

Hi Paul,
With all your experience with Cox engines, ever have a piston crack? What is the science to copper plating the top and insides of the piston?
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Post  Oldenginerod on Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:05 pm

coxaddict wrote:Hi Paul,
With all your experience with Cox engines, ever have a piston crack? What is the science to copper plating the top and insides of the piston?
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It's my understanding that the copper plating prevents those areas from being hardened during the chemical hardening process. This ensures that the ball socket is soft enough to be swaged after the piston is hardened and ground.
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Post  Paulgibeault on Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:28 pm

Hi Augustin,

About the ONLY Cox pistons that I recall cracking were the 'lightweight' Venom pistons. On those the entire crown would crack & separate from the rest of the piston.
My 'cure' was to change to the heavier standard TeeDee piston & the problem vanished.
I really don't know about the copper plating. Sadly, most of the people that do have already passed away...

Cheers, Paul

coxaddict wrote:Hi Paul,
With all your experience with Cox engines, ever have a piston crack? What is the science to copper plating the top and insides of the piston?
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Post  coxaddict on Fri Jul 06, 2018 6:59 am

Thanks for the great info.  I Love This Forum!  I understand that the Venom pistons were lightened in excess causing the piston failure. I wonder what the correct amount of lightening would have been.  Maybe I should do some crazy experimenting too,  although I don't have any badly worn cylinders. I've been saving single port No.2 stamped taper bore cylinders in the hope of one day getting enough skill and knowledge to cut a newfangled second port on the blank side.                                          
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Post  Paulgibeault on Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:58 am

Hi Coxaddict,

You know, really I don't think the lightened (metal removal) from the piston is what caused the failure. What caused the failure was the incorrect tooling employed to do that particular operation.
Cox ended up using a sharp square cutter rather than a properly radiused tool.  The idea was right, but the production machining tooling was wrong.
The square cutter left a stress raiser & that was what set up the failure for later on.
I do believe that was the case because my original prototype Venom from Larry Renger continues to run strong even when running 70% nitromethane fuel,
which is the ultimate stress test. IF ONLY the production crew had followed Larry's directions on the drawing...their would be a lot more Venoms happily running out there today!

Cheers, Paul


coxaddict wrote:Thanks for the great info.  I Love This Forum!  I understand that the Venom pistons were lightened in excess causing the piston failure. I wonder what the correct amount of lightening would have been.  Maybe I should do some crazy experimenting too,  although I don't have any badly worn cylinders. I've been saving single port No.2 stamped taper bore cylinders in the hope of one day getting enough skill and knowledge to cut a newfangled second port on the blank side.                                          
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Post  coxaddict on Sat Jul 07, 2018 4:07 am

Thanks Paul, very informative and enlightening.
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